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The sovereignty of God.
rick:
Hi George,
Ur questions to me are valid, your last question Amos 3:3 can two walk together except they be agreed. I'm interpreting the term ( walk ) in that scripture as friendships and we all have friends but we do not always agree in all things with our friends but nonetheless we call them friend just the same.
Of those who we meet if we have nothing in common then I would say no we can not walk together.
Are there two of you in your mind , I say in one respect no but in another respect is God not in our mind ? So in that respect I would say yes .
As much as I can tell God gave us a brain so it's us who analyze all thoughts.
God bless.
Kat:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 23, 2016, 04:25:38 AM ---Two men go to war both men are side by side they are both being fired upon , both men are under the same identical circumstances , one of the two men does not shrink back and is fearless while the other man is frighten and cannot function.
So not every person responds in the same way , is this because both did not have the same identical circumstances from there birth to present day ?
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Hi Rick, each human being is not born an exact carbon copy of the other. To start with (literally) no two male sperm or female eggs are the same... each human has 23 pairs of chromosomes, each baby would be calculated with 46 chromosome pairs. When you calculate the possible combinations you could have you get 2^23 × 2^23 = 70,368,744,177,664 (70 trillion) possibilities (of course this is not my calculations, I got it off the internet). That is just to give you an idea, but even that is not even taking all the factors into consideration. And that is just the beginning, now factor in all the possible direct responses they receive from parents, environment, society customs, nutrition, etc. and each's individuality is even greater.
What I'm saying is there are so many many factors that God has put into effect in our becoming unique individual that it's pretty much impossible for two people to be the same and therefore our reactions to situations may vary from slight to extremely different.
--- Quote ---One thing more I would like to add which is Ray did say that every thing we think do and say is ordained by God. If this is so as Ray has said then we must all be following a customized program.
The thoughts are given to me but they are my thoughts the words are given to me but they are my words and the actions are given to me but they are my actions is this how God is responsible but I'm accountable because all these things are worked out through me ?
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When you say or Ray said, every thing we think do and say is ordained by God... I consider that as meaning 'ordained' in that the way God has designed us and everything that will happens to us, so that we will follow a certain path laid down for us. That is how He has ordained everything to be, that how He has foreknowledge of everything from beginning to end, that is sovereignty.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, 'My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,'
Even with the vast multitude of differences each of us have, God knows exactly how each will response to every circumstance that we encounter (and the circumstances/causes also have a vast range of possibilities, as God has ordained)... that is His perfect and infinite foreknowledge of 'everything.' Well how can He possible have designed and put all the causes into effect that will bring about the exact results in every situation for trillions of thoughts, words and actions for every single minute of every single day? That is an amazing thought to ponder...
Isa 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Psa 147:5 Great is our LORD, and of great power; There is no limit to His understanding.
We truly cannot phantom the greatness of our heavenly Father, He knows the number of hairs on every bodies head (Luke 12:7) and that continually changes. He knows the number of stars in the heavens and has a name for each of them, that in itself is incredulous, as I shortly forget the names of most people I actually meet and talk to.
Psa 147:4 He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name.
We can't help but underestimate our great and glorious God, because He is so far beyond anything we can possible imagine.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
rick:
Hi Kat,
Your so down to earth with ur answers and was I delighted to read your response because in most things that you said I'm in full agreement with and can identify with.
If it's ok with you and you don't mind I would be interested in disgusting something Ray touched upon when talking about circumstances that are in our life. So here goes my question.
Ray said if we had the same circumstances as Adolf Hitler we would of done the same thing. I agree people are not identical but do have basically the same make up .
I'm taking what Ray said literally and I know you must of read his statement too and I'm also aware you have read more of Rays writing than I have, Lord willing, I'll get there too.
Do you think Rays meaning on that statement is exactly what he meant even though each person responds differently?
Your last statement you made is so true.
Kat you said,
We can't help but underestimate our great and glorious God, because he is so far beyond anything we can possible imagine.
That is so true.
God bless.
Kat:
I do understand where Ray was coming from with that comment, and why he made it... 'my' assessment at this point is that to be Hitler I would think you would have to be born that exact person and God did ordain that person to be born at that time and walk the path he did.
Actually Hitler did have a brother, you would assume he was raised pretty much the same way Hitler was, here is a brief excerpt from Wikipedia about him in an article about Hitler's family.
Alois Jr. continued to manage his restaurant throughout the duration of the war. He was arrested by the British, but released when it became clear he had played no role in his brother's regime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_family
It's all interesting though.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
octoberose:
There's not much I can add to Kat's wise words but this tags along with it.
Recently my brother gave his DNA to 23 and Me for genetic information. He was just wanting to know a little more of our heritage. When I first saw his results I assumed mine would be exactly the same- but in reading further I found out that my DNA will be uniquely mine. Of course the fact that we are brother and sister would show up, but even though we have the same parents and the same heritage, all the thousands and thousands of choices just in our two parents will make me different and percentages will be different in me than in him. (Maybe I'll have less Neanderthal!) Ha- they really do have that in the mix.
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