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The sovereignty of God.
rick:
Hi Alex,
Thank you for ur response, I do believe in the sovereigty of God and that all I do be it good or bad is always connected to God.
I don't believe when involved in bad things that God is directly involved but I do believe it was most definitely His intention.
When I do good things I believe God is directly connected to any and all good things and without God there can be no good thing done by the one doing it.
I go out to dinner and I'm given a menu, there are many choices on the menu and so I see something I'm interested in ordering from the menu and when my order comes I do enjoy the food which I had ordered.
Now thinking about the sovereigty of God and understanding that every choice is caused would you credit God for choosing something on the menu over another thing on the menu.
God bless.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Rick on July 22, 2016, 09:50:39 PM ---Hi Alex,
Thank you for ur response, I do believe in the sovereigty of God and that all I do be it good or bad is always connected to God.
I don't believe when involved in bad things that God is directly involved but I do believe it was most definitely His intention.
When I do good things I believe God is directly connected to any and all good things and without God there can be no good thing done by the one doing it.
I go out to dinner and I'm given a menu, there are many choices on the menu and so I see something I'm interested in ordering from the menu and when my order comes I do enjoy the food which I had ordered.
Now thinking about the sovereigty of God and understanding that every choice is caused would you credit God for choosing something on the menu over another thing on the menu.
God bless.
--- End quote ---
Hi Rick,
As your hypothetical, You are the one who chose the item on the menu and not God. But you didn't 'freely' choose the menu item. You chose based on circumstances and causes beyond your control and your choosing was one God already knew you would make because He is very wise and the origin of all things (The original CAUSE). Hence you are accountable for your choices but God is responsible.
God bless,
Alex
God bless,
Alex
dave:
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rick:
Hi Alex,
I understand God is responsible for all things in that He is the creator , if God did not create then nothing could happen . So God is responsible in that sense.
I'm held accountable for for every choice I make because it's actually me who makes the choice , I understand every choice is based on my circumstances and life experiences.
God knows what every choice I make will be because God created man and so He knows how man will respond under certain circumstances.
Two men go to war both men are side by side they are both being fired upon , both men are under the same identical circumstances , one of the two men does not shrink back and is fearless while the other man is frighten and cannot function.
So not every person responds in the same way , is this because both did not have the same identical circumstances from there birth to present day ?
One thing more I would like to add which is Ray did say that every thing we think do and say is ordained by God. If this is so as Ray has said then we must all be following a customized program.
The thoughts are given to me but they are my thoughts the words are given to me but they are my words and the actions are given to me but they are my actions is this how God is responsible but I'm accountable because all these things are worked out through me ?
It's very deep I suppose and interesting too. Gods sovereignty is very important for me to comprehend as this in my eyes is the base of all understanding .
You know Alex as long as man believes he has free will a will independent of Gods will he can never understand the things of God and if he cannot understand the things of God how is it possible for him to believe God?
God has me in a place where I believe my will is and always will be subjected to His will but for what ever reason God has me wrestling with the depths of His sovereigty in my life and how it applies to every day living.
Sometimes in somethings I see things as a me thing and not a God thing as if there is a separation between what I'm doing and what God is doing, I know God is spirit and I cannot detect God through my five senses.
I ask these questions because and people may laugh at me I don't mind if they do but I think sometimes that Gods sovereignty is as such that He causes me to move my fingers when they move that every minute thing about me God has arranged and controls with such great accuracy down to the most minute thing about me.
God bless.
cheekie3:
Rick -
--- Quote ---The thoughts are given to me but they are my thoughts the words are given to me but they are my words and the actions are given to me but they are my actions is this how God is responsible but I'm accountable because all these things are worked out through me ?
--- End quote ---
I am curious about thoughts:
Does anyone know if Ray ever taught about the following:
1. Are the thoughts that are presented to you in your mind, actually yours?
2. Can you monitor and analyze these thoughts that are presented to you in your mind?
3. If you can analyze these thoughts, can these thoughts also be you?
4. If the thoughts are you, who is it that analyzes these thoughts?
5. Are there two of you in your mind, the (presented, created or generated) thoughts, and the one analyzing these thoughts?
6. Does this have anything to do with if two cannot agree they cannot walk together?
7. Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Just a a few thoughts created in my mind.
Kind Regards.
George
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