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Dear Dean and George,
Thank you for your advices and thoughts.
--- Quote --- Here is the solution from the Bible: "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every THOUGHT to the obedience of Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:5).
Try to keep in mind that the devil places those same THOUGHTS from the past in our minds, over and over, to try and bring us down, and start practicing rejecting those negative THOUGHTS, in Jesus Name. We are in a spiritual battle.
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--- Quote --- I am not sure that the devil can actually place thoughts into our minds - but I believe most of us accept that the battleground is in our minds, as I believe this is the place we all actually live - and I am not too sure that we all know exactly what our hearts and minds really are - as we can monitor the desires in our hearts, and we can examine the thoughts in our minds - and it gets complicated to understand, as if we can monitor these desires in our hearts and examine these thoughts in our minds, are these desires and these thoughts actually ours - or do they become ours only once we accept them as ours - then if we reject them, were they ours to begin with - perhaps, we are to 'try' as in 'trial or test' these desires in our hearts and these thoughts in our minds, in order to ascertain if they be in line with His Word, in order to ensure they are pure and right and acceptable to Our Heavenly Father.
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These things which you mentioned here make me wonder a lot. There are thoughts like lusting after women, be angry at someone, try or not to try to cheat with the expensive tickets of the public transport, etc. Of course I'm not happy with these thoughts, but in a way I feel these are "normal" and egosyntonic and then its possible to "bringing into captivity" . In the last couple of years, as I said I have this OCD with crazy intrusive thoughts. I hope you don't know much about this condition, but it just questions everything about me and could make me feel guilty about anything at anytime. I've read it a lot of times, that we are not our thoughts. The thing which you mentioned, George , is also interesting, that are these toughts actually ours, when we can at the same time examine them also?
I agree that this is a very difficult topic and would appreciate any further insights,opinions on this, also.
cheekie3:
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Hello again.
Regarding your post below:
--- Quote ---These things which you mentioned here make me wonder a lot. There are thoughts like lusting after women, be angry at someone, try or not to try to cheat with the expensive tickets of the public transport, etc. Of course I'm not happy with these thoughts, but in a way I feel these are "normal" and egosyntonic and then its possible to "bringing into captivity" . In the last couple of years, as I said I have this OCD with crazy intrusive thoughts. I hope you don't know much about this condition, but it just questions everything about me and could make me feel guilty about anything at anytime. I've read it a lot of times, that we are not our thoughts. The thing which you mentioned, George , is also interesting, that are these toughts actually ours, when we can at the same time examine them also?
I agree that this is a very difficult topic and would appreciate any further insights,opinions on this, also.
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May I suggest that you make a one to one declaration to Our Heavenly Father, using your own words from your heart and mind, based on something like the following:
'Farther, in Jesus' Name, I am deeply troubled about the thoughts that keep coming into my mind. I know that you have confirmed in your word that "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every THOUGHT to the obedience of Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:5)." - and I am struggling how I may best do this for me. I know that imagination is not real, but I have a problem distancing myself from these thoughts that come into my mind. I most certainly do not want to entertain these thoughts. Please confirm what I must and need to do. Is it just a question of speaking to these thoughts and telling them that they are not my thoughts and to depart from me? And do I need to keep doing this until such time, as they can no longer enter into my mind? Thank you for giving me Life and this Renewed Life in Your Holy Spirit, and please always keep me in your Rest (which includes Your Love, Peace and Joy of Heart). Your Obedient Servant and Adopted Son pg-91.'
Please pray about this, and if you are burdened by His Holy Spirit within you, The Spirit will give you the words you need to become free of this particular issue in your life.
Remember, If He has Set you Free you are Free indeed.
I have prayed for you that His Holy Spirit will overwhelm you with His Fathership, Sonship and Grace.
Very Kind Regards.
George
Kat:
There are many indications in Scripture that Satan does indeed influences our minds... I mean Satan is invisible how else does he tempt/sway people into sinning or as with Judas "put it into the heart"?
John 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray Him,
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?
1Cor 7:5 Do not withhold yourselves from each other unless you agree to do so just for a set time, in order to devote yourselves to prayer. Then you should come together again so that Satan does not tempt you through your lack of self-control.
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
1John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
Mark 4:15 Some people are like the seeds along the path, where the word is sown. When they hear it, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.
2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
How does Satan take away what somebody believes? Isn't it by replacing those good thoughts and bringing to mind deceptions/lies? isn't that how Satan "walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour," with deception? Satan is very clever and just as he cunningly influenced Eve to sin, he also knows just how to use our weaknesses and faults against us.
We have to overcome Satan just as Jesus did in the wilderness and "thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1Cor 15:57). We also have great comfort in these Scripture that through Christ we certainly will overcome this world and it's prince/ruler (Eph 2:2; John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11).
1John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
v. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
v. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
1John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
cheekie3:
Kat -
Thank you for this Post. You are always very helpful.
--- Quote from: Kat on July 29, 2016, 11:20:19 AM ---
There are many indications in Scripture that Satan does indeed influences our minds... I mean Satan is invisible how else does he tempt/sway people into sinning or as with Judas "put it into the heart"?
John 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray Him,
Acts 5:3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?
1Cor 7:5 Do not withhold yourselves from each other unless you agree to do so just for a set time, in order to devote yourselves to prayer. Then you should come together again so that Satan does not tempt you through your lack of self-control.
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
1John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
Mark 4:15 Some people are like the seeds along the path, where the word is sown. When they hear it, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.
2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
How does Satan take away what somebody believes? Isn't it by replacing those good thoughts and bringing to mind deceptions/lies? isn't that how Satan "walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour," with deception? Satan is very clever and just as he cunningly influenced Eve to sin, he also knows just how to use our weaknesses and faults against us.
We have to overcome Satan just as Jesus did in the wilderness and "thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1Cor 15:57). We also have great comfort in these Scripture that through Christ we certainly will overcome this world and it's prince/ruler (Eph 2:2; John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11).
1John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
v. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
v. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
1John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Regarding the underlined above, please note the following:
1. Were these Scriptures referring to a man or woman begotten by His Holy Spirit, or were they carnal men and women.
2. As New Creations in Christ, are we no different than when we were yet carnally minded.
I may be wrong, but I believe, that once His Elect are dragged out of the world and their carnally mindedness, He gives us a new heart and we start to renew our minds into the mind of Christ.
If I am wrong, please forgive me, but I am also going by my own personal advancements in my own heart and mind, and I do attest that He has truly given me a new heart of love and goodness, and he has continually renewed my own mind more and more into the Mind of Christ.
Kind Regards, and thank you for these wonderful Scriptures.
I think the key Scripture is this one you provided above:
1John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
Dare we who have been dragged from this wicked world, dare to believe it, and eat and drink it; so it is imparted into our own hearts and minds.
George
Kat:
Hi George, you make a valid point about that those might not be actually speaking of the elect, and that Scripture is very clear in all translations as to what it says "the wicked one does not touch him."
1John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born (begotten) of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
So if this is an absolute truth there has to be a second witness in Scripture to it, I have been searching and I think I finally found it.
2Thess 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who will establish you and guard you from the evil one.
And here are a couple more that indicate the same thing.
John 17:15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
Psa 97:10 You who love the LORD, hate evil! He preserves the souls of His saints; He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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