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New Testament Scriptural Definition of Sin
rick:
Hi George,
And those who live by the law will also perish by the law.
God bless.
cheekie3:
Rick -
Hi:
--- Quote from: Rick on August 17, 2016, 02:51:27 PM ---Hi George,
And those who live by the law will also perish by the law.
God bless.
--- End quote ---
Are you referring to this Scripture:
Romans 2:12: KJV:
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Kind Regards.
George
rick:
Hello George,
Yes , I'm referring to that scripture . I was reading in the lake of fire how Ray had pointed out that Paul when he was then Saul came pretty close to living up to the Ten Commandments maybe even the six hundred mosaic laws and that Saul was at his heights when he became the worst sinner on planet earth.
Also scripture says all have fallen short of Gods glory and not one seeks after Him. If one try's to find justification through obeying the law he will be condemned by the very law he thought would bring life but can only bring death. Christ is ones only hope for there is no other name under heaven where man can be saved.
God bless.
cheekie3:
Rick -
Thank you for confirming this:
--- Quote from: Rick on August 17, 2016, 09:13:38 PM ---Hello George,
Yes , I'm referring to that scripture . I was reading in the lake of fire how Ray had pointed out that Paul when he was then Saul came pretty close to living up to the Ten Commandments maybe even the six hundred mosaic laws and that Saul was at his heights when he became the worst sinner on planet earth.
Also scripture says all have fallen short of Gods glory and not one seeks after Him. If one try's to find justification through obeying the law he will be condemned by the very law he thought would bring life but can only bring death. Christ is ones only hope for there is no other name under heaven where man can be saved.
God bless.
--- End quote ---
I know that the law came from Moses and Grace and Truth is via Jesus Christ (and Jesus came to fulfil the Law of Moses - which was up to John The Baptist) - and we are not under law but under Grace - yet, are we not commanded to obey His Commandments (why say ye you love me, when you do not do as I say) - and are not His Commandments 'Law' - the higher 'Law' that Jesus taught His followers - and is this higher 'Law' not sometimes called the 'Royal Law' and other times called the 'Law of Christ'?
Did not Jesus say that if we lust at a woman - it is if we have done the deed - so Jesus was confirming that His Commandments were higher than the Mosaic Law - which only via The Faith of Jesus Christ can any man or woman be in a position to do His Commandments.
What then are His Commandments?
John 14:15: KJV:
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Acts 1:2: KJV:
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
1 Corinthians 7:19: KJV:
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1 Corinthians 14:37: KJV:
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:2: KJV:
For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1 John 2:3: KJV:
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4: KJV:
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:22: KJV:
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1 John 3:24: KJV:
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 5:2: KJV:
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1 John 5:3: KJV:
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2 John 1:16: KJV:
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in
Revelation 12:17: KJV:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12: KJV:
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14: KJV:
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
What is the Royal Law, or The Law of Christ, or The Law of Faith?
Romans 3:27: KJV:
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:31: KJV:
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
1 Corinthians 9:21: KJV:
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
Galatians 6:2: KJV:
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Hebrews 10:16: KJV:
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
James 2:8: KJV:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
I am not saying that I understand anything - but it appears to me that the knowledge of The New Testament leads us to conclude that:
1. The Law of Moses and The Prophets were until Jesus Christ.
2. Jesus Christ fulfilled The Mosaic Law.
3. Jesus Commanded His followers to obey His Commandments.
4. His Commandments need to be obeyed; and if His followers must obey His Commandments - it must mean that His Commandments are 'Law'.
5. Only via the Faith of Jesus Christ can His followers obey His Commandments under The Grace of God.
6. Faith in, or, The Faith of Jesus Christ, has a 'Law'.
7. He has written His Commandments (the higher Law), in the hearts and minds of His followers.
Am I wrong in my conclusions?
I do not know for sure.
Are we all not here to learn (and keep) the absolute Truths of Our Heavenly Father?
Kind Regards.
George
Kat:
What really is the law? Could it be that God's perfect way of living is made known in a righteous code and written down for us in His laws and statues and we see His precepts all through the Scripture. But it seems that the basic idea all comes down to what Christ says.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
v. 38 This is the first and great commandment.
v. 39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
v. 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
The law is to show us what is right and good and therefore reveals what sin is and how far from God's righteousness we are, as no human that has ever lived (accept Christ of course) can possibly live up to the laws of God.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
v. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
So by our very inborn carnal nature we are enmity with God, undeniably sinners, and our inability to obey His laws proves it to us over and over again.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
v. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 11:32 For God has shut up all in unbelief, so that He might show mercy to all.
Only when Christ's Spirit becomes indwelling and it will continue to increase and our carnality continues to decrease until we are God centered in our actual way of thinking. Then His laws/ways become our ways, because our whole attitude changes and we, through Christ are overcomers.
Heb 10:15 The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us; for after He had said before,
v. 16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord; I will put My Laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,"
v. 17 also He adds, "their sins and their iniquities I will remember no more."
Rom 11:27 For this is My covenant with them, when I have taken away their sins."
1John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
v. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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