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jeetkunejimi:
Thank you all for your input.

My niece had an abusive father who was also violent to my sister he is now out of the picture, he also treated her like a boy when she was growing up. My point is we're all a product of the grace of God. What chance did she have to develop her feminine nature? She is still a beautiful person with a kind gentle heart. She is still a child of God who will be reconciled to Him at an appointed time (Act 3:19-21, 1 Tim 2:3-6). I have no anger or hate in my heart anymore because of this hope. I don't need to judge others, I don't need to behave as sinfully as some others do but, I do sin, everyone does, there's none without sin. Is anyone on this forum without sin??? Is there a married man on this forum who can honestly say that he has NEVER EVER while being married looked upon another woman lustfully? Is there anyone on this forum who has never felt anger or hatred towards someone in their daily life?

Am I not to help a sinner? Am I not to be a god samaritan? Ray stated this on his paper, 'IS HOMOSEXUALITY A SIN FOR NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVERS?'

QUOTE: "The purpose of this paper is not to single out or come down upon homosexuals. I have never written a paper entitled: "Is Stealing a Sin for New Testament Believers?" or, "Is Bearing False Witness a Sin?" or, "Is Murder a Sin?" So why "homosexuality? Because more and more, the media, entertainment, the government, the Church, the general population of America and much of the world, no longer believes it is a sin to be discriminated against, whereas even the basest of nations have laws against stealing, false witness, and murder.

So, my purpose here is not to judge, but to specifically establish whether homosexuality is a sin or not a sin for Believers in Christ under the New Covenant." END QUOTE:


Also Ray wrote,

QUOTE: "Heterosexual men are just as weak when it comes to lusting after women, as homosexuals are when it comes to lusting after members of the same gender. The ONLY way that I know of to break these sins and have victory over them is for God to empower you with a greater motivation to live righteously than to live unrighteously. If what you desire to be is "good," then there is only One Source.":END QUOTE.

My niece is very happily in love with her partner and they want to commit themselves to each other for life that to me is at least more than some hetrosexual couples can be bothered to do. God knows full well my intentions in attending and my family know full well my views on homosexuality but, to condemn homosexuals for being who they are and their personal trials to me just isn't Christian. I know and trust that God WILL do a good work in my niece one day and she will be changed but for now she is who she is, we all are who we are, warts and all, and God still loves the world enough to send Jesus for us all.

I fully accept the will of God in my life, only His will is being done, He will not be second guessed by the likes of me or a 25 years old lesbian woman in love. He is working all things to His good pleasure. 


Ephesians 2:10-22,
"10/For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
11/Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—
12/ remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13/ But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14/ For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
15/ by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,
16/ and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.
17/ AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR;
18/ for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
19/ So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,
20/ having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone,
21/ in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit."


I believe that the tabernacle of God will not be complete till every human being that will ever live forms it like brick upon brick. We're all capable of much good as well as much evil, who is greater than another? Who has the plank and who has the splinter? When Jesus attended the wedding at Cana it is possible that it was a family member's wedding or at least a close friend of his mother's. Jesus made sure no one was embarrassed by the lack of wine, he made sure that the celebrations kept going by turning water into wine. Jesus saw past a person's sin, he saw what they will be through him one day.

Thank you all again for your views. May the love of Christ be in us and made apparent to those who know not of him yet by our love towards them.


(Rom 5:8),
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.  :).

lilitalienboi16:
Stop trying to justify sinful behavior with other sinful behavior.

No believer, nor any carnal man, is your example. Jesus is your example and you are to imitate Him. He didn't dp those things you attempt to justify your behavior with. Sin is shameful and not to be excused. No one will enter tinhe kingdom of God with an attitude or behavior such as that.

Your cousin is a child of disobedience, and the wrath of God is upon all them. They are as of yet not the sons and daughters of God. God INTRODUCED His love to her while she is in her sins not for her to remains their with her sinful behavior, a lesson she will learn at the appointed time.

Consider the Word of God
Ephesians 5:1
1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.


Ephesians 2
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Colossians 3
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

No man can serve two masters. If you are lukewarm he will spit you out.

The only father those who walk after the ways of this world have is Satan who is the god of this present age.

John 8:43-45
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Israel of old celebrated other gods and lifestyles and it was a stern warning to all who would worship the true God. They were our example but to learn from, not to imitate their sinful behaviours and mistakes.

Proverbs 1:10 My son, if sinners entice you, Do not consent.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

In Christ,
Alex

Terry:
This has been a great thread for me it has helped me examine my life , I read way more than I post and for good reason I know so little. I think I read here maybe that its not hard to know right from wrong the hard part is doing whats right, I think that's a true statement. I don't study like most of you do, I don't know how to find scriptures but one thing  I do know is that little  voice inside of me always lets me know the way I should go whether I listen or not. Heres an example I've been wresting with this  for a while, I talk on a CB radio to people all over the country and to do this you must have great equipment at least it helps and I have a Teck that doesn't believe in God I have no problem with that, the problem is he lies,he steals, and has the most foul mouth of about anybody I know, don't get me wrong i'm no saint or anybody special i'm a wretch my self, so that little voice has been speaking to me for some time now this is someone I don't need to be around but because I need him for my hobby I don't listen to that voice, also I realize the more i'm around him the less I'm around God I don't read here as much, it makes me feel lonely, that's not a good feeling,so for me I find if i'll just listen and if something doesn't feel right that little voice will lead me  down the right path, so its not knowing whats right its doing whats right that's hard, for me if I want to do something I can find some way to justified it, thank God for that little voice.
Terry

lilitalienboi16:
This i feel is relavent since Jesus' love keeps coming up.

http://bible-truths.com/WhyGodLovesYou.htm

A STARTLING REVELATION: GOD HATES SINNERS

There is no Scripture which states that God hates everyone even though everyone sins:

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23)

However, when sinning becomes a way of life, and the sins are of a certain magnitude and grossness, God hates the sinner as well as his sins.  Here are some examples:

 "And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nations which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them" (Leviticus 20:23)

"If ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments ...My soul shall abhor you" (Lev. 26:14 & 30)

"For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD" (Deut. 18:12

"...all that do unrighteously are an abomination unto the LORD" (Deut. 25:16)

"They provoked Him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations they provoked Him to anger...and when the LORD saw it, and He abhorred them..." (Deut. 32:16 & 19)

"The foolish shall not stand in Thy sight: You hate all workers of iniquity..." (Psalm 5:5)

"...God is angry [Heb: 'enraged, abhorrence, abominable'] with the wicked every day" (Psalm 7:11)

"For the wicked boasts of his heart's desire, and... blesses the covetous, whom the LORD abhors" (Psalm 10:3)

"The Lord tries the righteous: but the wicked and him that loves violence His soul hates" (Psalm 11:5)

"When God heard this He was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel" (Psalm 78:59)

"For the froward [adverse, disobedient] is an abomination to the LORD" (Prov. 3:32)

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination to Him... A false witness that speaks lies, and he that sows discord among the brethren" (Prov. 6:16 & 19)

"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, God's curse be upon him" (I Cor. 16:22, Moffatt Translation)

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship of the world is enmity [hatred] with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is an enemy of God" (James 4:4)

So what is there about man that God loves? He hates man's sin and He hates the man who commits the sin. And that IS the way all human beings are. So what is left for God to love?

There is one Scripture that some might think contradicts the many Scriptures above stating that God hates sinners, and that verse is found in Rom. 5:8.

"But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Doesn't this verse prove that God does love us, even while we are continuing to sin? No, it doesn't. It may sound that way, but let's take a closer look.

God doesn't love those who practice sinning as a way of life. He introduced His love to them but as I said, not so they can contnue in that lifestyle but to repent and be transformed.

God bless,
Alex

AwesomeSavior:
lostandfound:

I saw that story you referenced, and yes it is disgusting, and yet not surprising. I have believed for quite some time now, after that gay marriage ruling came down, that it was only a matter of time before the slippery slope of sin would lead to further debauchery in this society. I hope the Lord returns soon, because it is my opinion that if He doesn't return within around 20 years time or so, just like with gay marriage, things like pedophilia and beastiality would also be recognized as "legitimate lifestyles". Just like all the other ancient empires of this world, such as Babylon and Rome, America will also be brought to her knees. "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil" (Isaiah 5:20).

Dean

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