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Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on September 20, 2016, 02:24:27 PM ---When you truly come out of this world and live your life as an example you will be persecuted. But it takes time to overcome and fully repent (IMO) to be worthy of persecution.
But there is hope.
1Pe_3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
1Pe_3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
--- End quote ---
That's pretty near the bottom line for me.
Things have been "worse". Things may get "worse" again. They are "worse" for some than for others. Some of those "others" are here among us. These "things" are in the hands of God, and so are we. Does anyone really think the aim of living is to get persecuted as much as possible? If so, then he'll find a way. And if it doesn't happen like he thinks it ought, then he can join the mind-set of this current "generation" and take every slight as "persecution".
Mat 11:16-19 But what comparison may I make of this generation? It is like children seated in the market-places, crying out to one another, "We made music for you and you did not take part in the dance; we gave cries of sorrow and you made no signs of grief."
For John came, taking no food or drink, and they say, "He has an evil spirit". The Son of man has come feasting, and they say, "See, a lover of food and wine, a friend of tax-farmers and sinners!" And wisdom is judged to be right by her works.
Could be that TOO is "persecution".
Jesus told the disciples not to be surprised. Seems to me, Paul is saying the same thing. What little I've experienced has come up on me suddenly, and from unexpected quarters.
Flanagan:
Thanks Sister Kat, I see what you mean and appreciate your time and efforts to explain to so many your insight into God's word. Along with all who take the lead in explaining to others and organizing this forum for everyone's benefit. You're all deserving of double honor. :) 1Tim 5:17
Hellisfake:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on September 20, 2016, 02:24:27 PM ---When you truly come out of this world and live your life as an example you will be persecuted. But it takes time to overcome and fully repent (IMO) to be worthy of persecution.
But there is hope.
1Pe_3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
1Pe_3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
Thanks dave, that helpt me :)
--- End quote ---
lareli:
ML King was a Baptist minister and serial adulterer. Constantly cheating on his wife. We learn this from the biography by his close associate Ralph Abernathy.
Gandhi had terrible racist things to say about black people when he was in South Africa. Gandhi was a politician whose activities led to the partition of India, which resulted in the deaths of millions of people.
I will not even discuss John Lennon.
As far as what one man (Ralph Abernathy) said about another man (sounds like gossip) I do not know. Nor will I bear false witness toward a man I never saw... But even if it's true, God can speak truth through the mouth of a donkey. Surely He can speak through a cheating baptist minister.
Gandhi said racist things? Christ compared a Canaanite woman to a dog.
I'm not saying MLK, Gandhi, John Lennon were prophets or even Gods chosen.. But maybe they were. What do I know and who am I to argue with God.. I'm just a man. It's not my business what God has planned for another man anyhow.... If in that day, I see John Lennon, Gandhi, MLK, enter into the Kingdom before me, who am I to tell God He got it wrong? Perhaps many would weep and gnash their teeth to see a pot smoking hippy enter before them self.
All I'm saying is that in this world the use of violence is esteemed. Those who wield the sword are considered heroes and our protectors. While those who denounce violence and hatred are themselves hated and sometimes violently persecuted.
Christ is the Prince of Peace. God is Love. Both peace and love are hated and crucified by this world. Until He comes and teaches the world righteousness.
lilitalienboi16:
Largeli, your response bothers me.
It sounds as if you're stating that Ghandi's racism isn't a problem because Jesus was racist. After all, "Christ compared a Canaanite woman to a dog."
Is that what you get out of Matthew 15?
Hm. What strange dicsussion.
Ghandi was known to be racist towards the south africans, you need only read some of his writtings to find it. He wasn't the martyr the world makes him out to be.
There really is no comparing Jesus to Ghandi and furthermore, Ghandi is elevated on a pedestal by the worldly people while Jesus is relegated to a myth that never existed. Your justifying racism by using Jesus as an example is the first time i've seen it done but I'm sure the sentiment is rampant upon those who would love to tare Him down.
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