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Daniel, veganism and meat
cheekie3:
lostANDfound -
--- Quote from: lostANDfound on October 24, 2016, 12:12:33 PM ---I won't share my entire food journey but I will say that now, a few months from turning 40, I am probably the healthiest I've ever been since changing how I make food decisions. I don't give a hoot what the Stroke Foundation, FDA, etc. say is healthy. It's based on how God-made versus human-altered different foods are. Butter over margerine. Lots of local eggs, wild meat, garden veg, and we raise meat rabbits that run around and soak up the sun and are culled if they're sick instead of injected with junk to keep them "healthy". But if God chooses for me to struggle with sickness again I will, despite my efforts. Healthy eating was becoming an idol for me about seven years ago but I feel like it's been smashed off that pedestal now and it's just a general way of life that doesn't always happen but mostly does. If God intends for my to be sick, I will be, but I don't plan to encourage the matter by eating Doritos and donuts all day. Also, I am only healing, not yet healed of long term heavy metal poisoning.
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May He completely heal you from the heavy metal poisining.
Kind Regards.
George
Extol:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on October 24, 2016, 12:21:53 PM ---
I do not fully understand about what we are to eat and drink - and I am still researching this.
George
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Dear George,
Here is what we are to eat and drink:
John 6:51--I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
John 7:37-38--On the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood up and called out in a loud voice, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. To the one who believes in Me, it is just as the Scripture has said: ‘Streams of living water will flow from within him."
Matthew 5:6--Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
You say you are unsure of the Scriptural witnesses about whether they ate meat before the flood, but really, is it that important? Isn't it enough to know that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?”(Mark 7:18-19). Isn't it enough to know that Paul said Let no man judge you in meat or drink? (Col. 2:16)
It is okay to look outside of Scripture for information like this. Scripture is not going to tell us everything about what people ate, how they dressed, what they did for entertainment, etc. Ray valued and respected the work of scientists, and made it clear that he believed in a very old earth and humans (or human-like creatures) before Adam. I haven't studied this at all, but a quick Google search will tell you that most scientists believe the evidence that points to meat consumption a very long time ago. Ray mentioned in one of his studies that one of the animals' Hebrew names--given by Adam--meant to devour. I couldn't find the transcript, and I don't remember what animal; I assume it was a bird of prey.
cheekie3:
Jesse -
Thank you for posting this; I appreciate this:
--- Quote from: Extol on October 24, 2016, 01:40:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on October 24, 2016, 12:21:53 PM ---
I do not fully understand about what we are to eat and drink - and I am still researching this.
George
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Dear George,
Here is what we are to eat and drink:
John 6:51--I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
John 7:37-38--On the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood up and called out in a loud voice, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. To the one who believes in Me, it is just as the Scripture has said: ‘Streams of living water will flow from within him."
Matthew 5:6--Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
You say you are unsure of the Scriptural witnesses about whether they ate meat before the flood, but really, is it that important? Isn't it enough to know that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?”(Mark 7:18-19). Isn't it enough to know that Paul said Let no man judge you in meat or drink? (Col. 2:16)
It is okay to look outside of Scripture for information like this. Scripture is not going to tell us everything about what people ate, how they dressed, what they did for entertainment, etc. Ray valued and respected the work of scientists, and made it clear that he believed in a very old earth and humans (or human-like creatures) before Adam. I haven't studied this at all, but a quick Google search will tell you that most scientists believe the evidence that points to meat consumption a very long time ago. Ray mentioned in one of his studies that one of the animals' Hebrew names--given by Adam--meant to devour. I couldn't find the transcript, and I don't remember what animal; I assume it was a bird of prey.
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I am fully aware of our spiritual food and drink, and have been since He dragged me from this world to Himself - and I have drunk and eaten this each and every day since He revealed Himself to me.
I used to believe that we could eat anything with prayer, and if it was poisoned, it would not harm us - but with all the GMO stuff and what they do to the meat, I am horrified - and hence my research into The Scriptures.
I am aware of the study you mention (and I have read it, and listened to the audios, several times) - and I am aware that Ray stated that there was death before Adam.
I am particularly interested in what mankind was instructed to eat.
I have not found any Scriptures before Noah, whereby mankind was instructed to eat any kind of meat.
It is important to me, if there was a difference between before the flood of Noah, and after.
We are instructed to question everything, and prove all things.
Kind Regards.
George
indianabob:
Hi Octoberose,
In Daniel the English word "meat" may be translated simply as "food" or the kings diet or dainties which could also be simply the fancy food that was prepared for royalty which would include ingredients that were not natural like sauces, gravies, lard and extra sweeteners. Daniel opted to eat plain, naturally grown vegetables with healthy ingredients good for a persons health. Also note that Daniel declined wine which the king afforded all those he favored and which by tradition was thought to be beneficial to keep a person contented. The point if one checks the original words is that "meat" is a general term for food and does not necessarily mean the flesh of animals as we use it today.
--- Quote from: octoberose on October 24, 2016, 04:24:10 AM ---George brought up Daniel and the issue of eating meat. As it happens, I've been wanting to talk about food related things.
My belief about Daniel is that he refused the kings meat not because there was is anything intrinsically wrong with eating meat, but because the meat was either not prepared according to God's law or the meat was pork. Daniel did not want to be defiled and God had let them eat meat as long as it followed His guidelines .
What I want to ask is, do you see a correlation between diet and our spiritual health? Some of us struggle with weight, some with health issues. If God knows every hair on our heads, surely He also concerns Himself with our food. Surely nothing in our lives exisit outside of Him.
Would snyone share their food journey, and how it relates to being a follower of Christ?
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Rhys 🕊:
I have cut back on a lot of the processed food and prefer taking the basic ingredients and making up my own meals. So much food these days has things in that I don't have a clue what it is so why eat it.
Been losing weight recently so eating better and less and more time doing exercise. I know it makes me feel better and more energy which is good but can't say I feel any spiritual difference in doing so.
I feel the being more disciplined and going without certain things makes me seek truth more but maybe that is more me. Certain things and not only food you do for comfort and take away the comfort you see things in a new light and a desire for the truth becomes more clear and you want more of that.
In saying all of that I still eat at times the things they say you shouldn't but less of it and less often.
Rhys
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