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Musterseed:
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matt10:28
I way I saw it, was if I was gungho on persecuting Gods people and He showed up and stopped me in my tracks and blinded me, I would be full of fear.
At the time I don't think Saul knew that knowledge was the fear of the Lord, the way we understand it now, but once God changed him to Paul, the Lord taught him.
I do not fear the Lord that He would hurt me, I fear that I would hurt Him, I don't want to disappoint Him. I want to be be a good daughter, I want to be faithful and brave like Ester. I am a living sacrifice, I understand this and I know I have to give up my carnel life to attain my spiritual
Life.In the beginning my family persecuted me, I lost friends, and my husband told me I was selfish, but I warned them all, if any of you try to take this away from me, I will leave all of you and I meant it. I told my children that God comes first before anyone. God uses evil to do good and He brought me to my knees this way. Best thing ever and I would go through it again to get to this place with the Lord. He abides in me and I in Him. I cannot remember all the scriptures but boy do I understand God is Sovereign.i Love Him with all of my heart and I know you do to. That's why we are here. To learn,to love. I love all of you and George my friend no need to apologize, it is all Gods work, sometimes I think we forget All is God.Porter, thank you for your post, I really felt
Your concern for your kids, I feel that with my grandchildren. They are so young.As parents and grandparents we do fear for them , specially knowing what we know about this world.
George if I was there I would put you in a headlock and give you a noogie, that's a term of endearment where I come from.
I do have a question though, what did Ray mean when he said "we are all Peter"
Great is Our God, the Lord Jesus, our big brother. Love ❤️Pamela
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on December 08, 2016, 12:41:56 PM ---Dennis -
Thank you for sharing this audio:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 08, 2016, 11:22:05 AM ---Ray uses the word 'punish' in this video: https://youtu.be/o5YCfZQ7XfU
And Ray said "Getting Saved is the Hardest Thing You Will Ever Do in Your Life"
--- End quote ---
I listened to it again; and Ray clarifies the True meaning of 'Grace', and 'Faith' - and indeed expounds on what 'Grace' actually does in us (in our hearts) - and that although it is all of God, we must 'walk in the steps He prepared for us' in order for 'His Grace' and 'His Faith' to 'Work in us', as He is 'Creating mankind In His (Spiritual) Image'.
Warmest Regards.
George
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Whatever it takes to change our hearts.
Heb 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastardss, and not sons.
Strongs "Chastening"
G3811
παιδεύω
paideuō
pahee-dyoo'-o
From G3816; to train up a child, that is, educate, or (by implication) discipline (by punishment): - chasten (-ise), instruct, learn, teach.
indianabob:
Hi Porter,
The initial fear we feel as we first sense our calling by God is one of punishment or of fear of the unknown. As we grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord that emotion turns to one similar to the "fear" I have for displeasing my wife.
I fear displeasing my wife because I need her love and acceptance in my daily life in order for me to feel complete and a whole man. I know that we are different, she's a woman and man will not easily understand women in this life, but during our time together we have become "friends" and losing that relationship would be painful for both of us.
So then the REAL point is that with the indwelling of God's spirit, Jesus and I have become friends and I am no longer a servant, but a true friend. No one wants to lose the relationship they have with dear friends and that natural "fear" of loss is appropriate in our daily journey of fulfilling God's purpose.
John 15:15
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
--- Quote from: Porter on December 08, 2016, 07:36:48 AM ---It's all good George. Sometimes Im not very clear or even very sure about what Im trying to say. Just as an fyi, I don't fear God like the way I used to before learning the truth. The subject of fearing God is a tough one for me personally. I read in the bible to fear Him, and I read others say not to fear Him. I guess the only reason to fear Him at this point is if we sin willingly?
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
That fiery indignation stuff sounds scary lol. :P
Forgive me Pamela if I went off topic a bit, so I'll just shut up now.
--- End quote ---
Porter:
Thanks all for being patient and taking time to explain things, it's very much appreciated. Thanks Bob for that analogy, it really put it into perspective for me.
cheekie3:
Dennis -
Thank you for sharing this:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 08, 2016, 01:59:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: cheekie3 on December 08, 2016, 12:41:56 PM ---Dennis -
Thank you for sharing this audio:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 08, 2016, 11:22:05 AM ---Ray uses the word 'punish' in this video: https://youtu.be/o5YCfZQ7XfU
And Ray said "Getting Saved is the Hardest Thing You Will Ever Do in Your Life"
--- End quote ---
I listened to it again; and Ray clarifies the True meaning of 'Grace', and 'Faith' - and indeed expounds on what 'Grace' actually does in us (in our hearts) - and that although it is all of God, we must 'walk in the steps He prepared for us' in order for 'His Grace' and 'His Faith' to 'Work in us', as He is 'Creating mankind In His (Spiritual) Image'.
Warmest Regards.
George
--- End quote ---
Whatever it takes to change our hearts.
Heb 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastardss, and not sons.
Strongs "Chastening"
G3811
παιδεύω
paideuō
pahee-dyoo'-o
From G3816; to train up a child, that is, educate, or (by implication) discipline (by punishment): - chasten (-ise), instruct, learn, teach.
--- End quote ---
Perhaps, His Chastening of us all, 'is The "Heart" of the Matter':
Warmest Regards.
George
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