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Musterseed:
Hi Dave
You said now I understand grace is active.
Your right,,,, I read The LOF111 today.
Grace as a verb , Ray uses the word gracing also.
Spiritual mustard is good on spiritual hotdogs 😂😜😜🌭
Peace to you,,,, Pamela
cheekie3:
Dave -
Thank you for providing this additional information:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on May 23, 2017, 08:27:54 PM ---There was a time I thought of "grace" as akin to some kind of "spiritual mustard" or invisible holy water...someTHING that got "smeared" or "sprinkled" on people, after which they were "saved". Don't laugh too hard...at least I didn't think physical mustard or holy water did anything spiritually real. Now I understand "grace" is active.
For God loved the world in this manner--that He gave His Only Begotten Son...Grace.
The Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world...Grace.
Grace...came by/through Jesus Christ.
Maybe "gracing" is a better translation, since Theologians have muddied the meaning. I don't know. Like all those pesky bible-words, it's a word first. Technically, it's a noun. But I think of it as a "gerund", from:
G5463
χαίρω
chairō
Thayer Definition:
1) to rejoice, be glad
2) to rejoice exceedingly
3) to be well, thrive
4) in salutations, hail!
5) at the beginning of letters: to give one greeting, salute
Part of Speech: verb
Does that moisten or "undry" the theology a little?
What a "gerund" is (I wasn't an English Major either, but I dig words): http://www.softschools.com/examples/grammar/gerunds_examples/95/
--- End quote ---
Your Love for the root meaning of words is greatly appreciated.
Warmest Regards.
George
lareli:
Dennis where did Ray say that "if the church teaches it, it is not true"
From the lake of fire series #11
"Is it possible that the "depths of God" can co-exist alongside of the "depths of Satan" in the same church? Are not both taught in the Church? No, they are not. However, let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter. I am not suggesting that nothing but the depths of Satan is taught in the Christian Church. That is certainly not true. There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the Church, and there are doctrines and practices of demons that are not taught in the Church. But, therein lies the reason why there is much confusion and contradiction among the different denominations. Error mixed with some truth can be more deceptive than error alone."
"There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the church.." L. Ray Smith
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: largeli on May 31, 2017, 12:44:38 PM ---Dennis where did Ray say that "if the church teaches it, it is not true"
From the lake of fire series #11
"Is it possible that the "depths of God" can co-exist alongside of the "depths of Satan" in the same church? Are not both taught in the Church? No, they are not. However, let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter. I am not suggesting that nothing but the depths of Satan is taught in the Christian Church. That is certainly not true. There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the Church, and there are doctrines and practices of demons that are not taught in the Church. But, therein lies the reason why there is much confusion and contradiction among the different denominations. Error mixed with some truth can be more deceptive than error alone."
"There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the church.." L. Ray Smith
--- End quote ---
He has said that in more than one recording and in email replies. Maybe not always those exact words, but he has said it.
A quick Google search and I found these:
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php?topic=551.0
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,251.0.html
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php?topic=11637.0
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php?topic=3224.0
But perhaps you can point out some of the important truths the church teaches. Not what they say, but what they teach. Their doctrine.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on May 31, 2017, 01:39:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on May 31, 2017, 12:44:38 PM ---Dennis where did Ray say that "if the church teaches it, it is not true"
From the lake of fire series #11
"Is it possible that the "depths of God" can co-exist alongside of the "depths of Satan" in the same church? Are not both taught in the Church? No, they are not. However, let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter. I am not suggesting that nothing but the depths of Satan is taught in the Christian Church. That is certainly not true. There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the Church, and there are doctrines and practices of demons that are not taught in the Church. But, therein lies the reason why there is much confusion and contradiction among the different denominations. Error mixed with some truth can be more deceptive than error alone."
"There are numerous truths of God that are taught in the church.." L. Ray Smith
--- End quote ---
He has said that in more than one recording and in email replies. Maybe not always those exact words, but he has said it.
A quick Google search and I found these:
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php?topic=551.0
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,251.0.html
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php?topic=11637.0
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php?topic=3224.0
But perhaps you can point out some of the important truths the church teaches. Not what they say, but what they teach. Their doctrine.
--- End quote ---
I dont know if I can point out truths of God that are taught in church off the top of my head.. I mean if I give it some thought I'm optimistic that I could think of some, sure. But Ray is the one who made the statement that "there are numerous truths of God taught in church" not I. However I think he was probably right. He was also right that error mixed with truth can be more deceptive than error alone.
In the quote above from the lake of fire #11 Ray not only said that there are numerous truths of God taught in the church but that "there are doctrines and practices of demons that are not taught in the church."
Perhaps a new thread would serve this topic better.
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