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lareli:
Bob thank you very much for those verses.
Very first verse you submitted Romans 8:1 says "to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit"
If I am not of "them" who are in Christ then wouldnt it stand to reason that the rest of that chapter does not apply to me?
If my conscience tells me I ought to do "this" and I shrink back, then am I walking after the spirit or flesh?
Dennis Vogel:
We are all a work in progress https://youtu.be/nyw60TBhQJo
indianabob:
--- Quote from: largeli on September 14, 2017, 04:56:03 PM ---Bob thank you very much for those verses.
Very first verse you submitted Romans 8:1 says "to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit"
If I am not of "them" who are in Christ then wouldnt it stand to reason that the rest of that chapter does not apply to me?
If my conscience tells me I ought to do "this" and I shrink back, then am I walking after the spirit or flesh?
--- End quote ---
Hi again Largeli,
In response to the quote above and the bolded sentence.
Please keep in mind that we all live by "hope" of a place in God's final family structure. If we knew for sure then it would not be stated as a hope...a measure of trust and faith or belief that God has placed within us.
Those of us on the forum have we suppose accepted that God will eventually deal kindly with all His beloved children. However the question remains as to whether we will be the advanced team or the later followers who benefit from another part of God's overall plan.
I think I recall that Ray Smith told us that we will not know for sure until it happens. Can anyone recall where that is found?
But really does it matter whether we are first or second in line?
The eventual destination is the same; a renewed society on a renewed earth.
The first fruits will have lots of additional responsibility and opportunity and thrills, but those in the second resurrection, our friends and relatives who cannot understand just now will yet have great rewards when God's plan all comes together. So for me it is enough to know that NO ONE will be cast aside. God loves ALL of His children!
My suggestion from my own experience is that we all are impatient and want to know whether we are pleasing God and behaving as we should, but God who keeps secrets from even great kings of the past is asking each of us to "just trust Him" in the same manner that our Lord Jesus had to trust Him and put his very life into the Father's hands when all about him were deserting Jesus.
Hope this helps a little and hope I am sharing what Ray Smith has already provided.
Kindly offered, Indiana bob
lareli:
--- Quote from: indianabob on September 15, 2017, 03:01:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on September 14, 2017, 04:56:03 PM ---Bob thank you very much for those verses.
Very first verse you submitted Romans 8:1 says "to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit"
If I am not of "them" who are in Christ then wouldnt it stand to reason that the rest of that chapter does not apply to me?
If my conscience tells me I ought to do "this" and I shrink back, then am I walking after the spirit or flesh?
--- End quote ---
Hi again Largeli,
In response to the quote above and the bolded sentence.
Please keep in mind that we all live by "hope" of a place in God's final family structure. If we knew for sure then it would not be stated as a hope...a measure of trust and faith or belief that God has placed within us.
Those of us on the forum have we suppose accepted that God will eventually deal kindly with all His beloved children. However the question remains as to whether we will be the advanced team or the later followers who benefit from another part of God's overall plan.
I think I recall that Ray Smith told us that we will not know for sure until it happens. Can anyone recall where that is found?
But really does it matter whether we are first or second in line?
The eventual destination is the same; a renewed society on a renewed earth.
The first fruits will have lots of additional responsibility and opportunity and thrills, but those in the second resurrection, our friends and relatives who cannot understand just now will yet have great rewards when God's plan all comes together. So for me it is enough to know that NO ONE will be cast aside. God loves ALL of His children!
My suggestion from my own experience is that we all are impatient and want to know whether we are pleasing God and behaving as we should, but God who keeps secrets from even great kings of the past is asking each of us to "just trust Him" in the same manner that our Lord Jesus had to trust Him and put his very life into the Father's hands when all about him were deserting Jesus.
Hope this helps a little and hope I am sharing what Ray Smith has already provided.
Kindly offered, Indiana bob
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All good points Bob and very helpful. Thank you.
Dave in Tenn:
I-Bob said, "Those of us on the forum have we suppose accepted that God will eventually deal kindly with all His beloved children. However the question remains as to whether we will be the advanced team or the later followers who benefit from another part of God's overall plan.
I think I recall that Ray Smith told us that we will not know for sure until it happens. Can anyone recall where that is found?"
Bob, I think that is actually in the video Dennis posted above. Coincidence? ;D
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