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Luke 19:11-27
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: largeli on August 08, 2017, 05:12:16 PM ---I understand what you're sayin brother.
If one can discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:14) One can learn something new and true from almost anyone and anything.. even from unbelievers or a deceived Christian.. God can speak truth to us through nature or even through the mouth of a donkey if He wants to.
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And God can turn you into a singing teapot if He wants to. Meaningless statement because God can do anything.
Instead of what God can do, how about what God has to say about unbelievers?
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
You mentioned Heb 5:14
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Think about what I underlined.
Mickiel:
--- Quote from: Stacey on August 09, 2017, 06:53:39 AM ---"How we understand the bible is more important than how we understand Ray"
Mickiel,
We are not here to understand L Ray Smith. We are here to learn, study and discuss Ray's teachings/papers.
Understanding the bible is what Christendom tries to do on Sunday morning and evening and Wednesday nights.
Understanding Scripture is what Ray studied and has passed on to us.
I dont always agree with threads getting locked or members getting banned but I do understand completely the need to enforce the BT forum rules.
There are numerous sites to discuss what we have learned, how we have learned or who we learned knowledge from but this is not that kind of site. However, there is the option here to chat it up about anything through PM.
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Greetings,
Well I am not a Christian , and I totally disagree with Christianity. Neither am I a trouble maker, but I am only conscious of , those things I am conscious of, and I do not invade sects or groups off to themselves. I came here because I miss being with people of like minds, only I am not limited to learning from just one source. And if that be rejected, then so be it. I like and agree with Rays teachings, he had an incredible mind. But I am not into locking myself to one teacher; I just don't understand that. It reminds me of the scripture that says come out from among them; and some , in my view, just take that too far. When God and Christ return, they will find me spreading this truth everywhere, and if they are against that I will be surprised and ask them why they put it in my heart to do so. But I know they are not, because this gospel of the Kingdom will go out all over this world, ; but anyhow peace to you; I love people who understand universal salvation, and its just a shame that I cannot get along with them; so I walk alone. And its better for me to leave, than to endure this kind of narrow vision.
Goodbye and peace on this journey.
Dennis Vogel:
I just posted another talk where Ray tells us why no teaching. https://youtu.be/kicm_Gnj-Mo
Rick Longva:
Mickiel
I too understand what you are saying, but I also agree with the forums rules. These are Ray's teachings, teachings he had found through much study, and I am sure much prayer. So on his site it is his teachings that are discussed. When Ray was alive, I emailed him personally and asked questions, or questioned a finding of his (not to criticize), and he was very gracious in his reply. I had/have much respect for the man. I, like some, do not agree with some of his findings, and I know this is not the place to discuss my differences. I have been on other sites, and when there is a difference of opinion, as Dennis wrote, it gets ugly. So when someone new comes on board, or someone who wants to show others (not registered on the forum) how divided these people are in their understanding of the scriptures, they will use these divisive sites to show how Christ is parted, which in turn discredits much of the teachings. Just the other day I was told I was going to hell because I do not believe in hell, I was directed to a site that claims people actually went to hell and came back to warn us all of hell. I went on the site and read for about a minute and left. I could have joined the forum, but why, they would not listen to what I had to say, no more than I would listen to what they had to say. I didn't fit there. Here, at times, I feel I don't fit, as I said, I don't agree with all the teachings, but I know these people here believe in the reconciliation of all, they are brothers and sisters, that is what keeps me coming back, we have common ground. Also, there is much truth to be gleaned here.
If this is not allowed, please remove it.
There are sites which allow others to place articles on, after they pass the moderators inspection. I won't name them here (not allowed), but if you want to know just get a hold of me.
lareli:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on August 09, 2017, 09:05:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: largeli on August 08, 2017, 05:12:16 PM ---I understand what you're sayin brother.
If one can discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:14) One can learn something new and true from almost anyone and anything.. even from unbelievers or a deceived Christian.. God can speak truth to us through nature or even through the mouth of a donkey if He wants to.
--- End quote ---
And God can turn you into a singing teapot if He wants to. Meaningless statement because God can do anything.
Instead of what God can do, how about what God has to say about unbelievers?
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
You mentioned Heb 5:14
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Think about what I underlined.
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Not sure what your point is dennis... are you saying that deceived Christians or unbelievers can't teach something true? Because we've been over this and Ray plainly said otherwise.
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