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Literally and Physically True?
indianabob:
absolutely correct John,
We are weak and may sin up until the last day, but God shall have His way and those God elects cannot be lost. Although, in my view, we can suffer quite a bit from necessary and beneficial correction along the way. For sure we will not be able to say "I did it my way".
Even so, God's correction, based on full knowledge of our limitations, is from love and leads to each person being corrected according to their strengths and weaknesses given to each one by God.
Indiana bob
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on September 04, 2018, 04:47:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on September 04, 2018, 02:44:22 PM ---
--- Quote ---Of course, Satan has no power over the Elect.
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Maybe define "power" John. Because I wrestle and fall all the time. Vanity, lust, etc. None of us are perfect (yet).
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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I agree with your Scriptures. You seem to have the same problem I do. I cannot stop sinning. Good thing we have a Savior.
However, the Sriptures tell us God chose the Elect before creation.
There is no free will. We cannot choose to be the Elect. Neither can we unchoose to be the Elect.
God is sovereign. Whom God has chosen to be the Elect, will be the Elect at God's appointed time. Satan has no power to negate God's will. Satan cannot deceive the Elect or stop the Elect.
Which is why it is written in the Book of Revelation, that the Woman, the true Church, will be taken on the wings of eagles, to be protected from the flood of waters sent by Satan to harm the true Church, the Elect. It is God Who protects the Elect, His chosen ones. We have nothing to fear.
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Wanda:
we also have a hope that many do not. if they do believe they live with a doctrin that teaches God does not save all, and in addition, has a place of eternal torment for many. From my experience there's no hope, peace or comfort to be found in that.
We know the plan, the purpose and the outcome, which is a glorious hope we've been given. When this age is complete, the salvation of all will be realized by everyone who has ever been given life, and we will All rejoice and give praise and glory to the one who purposed it all.
Personally, I don't give much thought to being one of the chosen. I'm blessed to be called and be able to see many of these truths, which were hidden for many years. Our God has the great wisdom, and ability to accomplish his perfect and just will, to prosper us All in his righteous ways. Each and everyone. We will All be ritchly blessed, being freed from this slavery of sin we fight so hard against.
There is great comfort and assurance to be found in these words.
Jeremiah 29:11
11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
ML:
Right Wanda. Let's also keep this in mind, and try not to forget these words, but to always be in rememberance of them.
Romans 15
6That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 6
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Even if we are only called, we will all be reconciled to God. God has given us these Truths, so give Him praise for that.
Wanda:
--- Quote ---Even if we are only called, we will all be reconciled to God. God has given us these Truths, so give Him praise for that.
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1 Peter 1:
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,
Wanda:
Tennesse Dave stated in another thread there was a way to tell if you might be of the elect class, and it involved love. I pondered on that from time to time, until I came across this parable in Luke.
Luke 14:12-14.
12 And He went on to say to the one who had invited Him, When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and repayment come to you. 13 But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14 And you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.
The first thing that came to mind was, God is LOVE. Believing in that long before I was called, and I believe it was the very thing God used to call me to him. It is the single most important aspect of who he is, the driving motivation for all he does. For God so loved the world he died for us. There is no greater love. He loves us without expectation.
What I believeJesus is saying here, that to attain the first resurrection, “the resurrection of the just,” one must know and practice the principle of grace and love without expectation.
Maybe fretting over our inability to fight sin is tangled up in this truth. Perhaps the more we extend AGAPEO love to others without expecting anything in return, the less we will sin.
I edited this post to reflect the correction on the types of love, Ray taught, I didnt want to confuse or misrepresent Ray.
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