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Did God Ever Experience Anything Bad?
Dennis Vogel:
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Ray has asked the question "where / when / how did God know about good and evil?"
Ray strongly suggests God had to figure things out at one time: https://youtu.be/2PNgXMHGS2U
Wanda:
Thanks for the link Dennis. Ray expounds even further into this concept, with scriptural incites hard to dispute.
Wanda:
--- Quote ---I frankly do not see why it seems necessary for God to learn from His so called experiences.
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Hi Bob,
I here what your saying, as I just accepted without question, that God always knew all he does, because he's God. Neat and simple really, why would I question otherwise, until I did. Ray's teachings has that affect.
indianabob:
Hi Wanda,
Thank you for your thoughtful questions and comments.
I watched the video that Dennis provided and appreciate all that was shared.
Regarding Ray Smith's teaching about God's learning as we do; if that was what was meant. I'm not fully aware of Ray's thoughts on this issue and Ray had lots more to teach if he had lived longer. I don't want to be seen as trying to teach on the forum, so my comments will have to be simple and brief.
My personal thoughts lead me to see God as like an architect sitting down to develop and plan and record a long anticipated new project. The difference being that the human architect in my example has human limits that, so far as is revealed, do not pertain to God.
When a human begins a project they need to count the cost and arrange for the required building materials, e.g. make a list and check it twice. (smile)
When God decided to make a son and provide that son with a kingdom over which the son could rule and serve and build up, God didn't need to count the cost to God's self or any other entity, because God had the power and wisdom to create all things that would be needed as the need arose. No human can do that. Not even a great emperor with absolute authority can create what is needed. An emperor has to depend upon others to carry out the emperor's will, God doesn't need anyone or anything.
Yes, it is apparent from scripture that God desires to be surrounded by beings upon whom God can devote God's love and with whom God can communicate. God does desire to share, in genuine love, all that God's power and wisdom can produce and God did develop a plan to do exactly that, but the implementation of the plan did not require testing or trying a variety of ideas to see what would work or what was best to accomplish God's purpose. If God thought of something in the first instance, then it was going to work as thought of, because God could invent/create what ever was required to do so.
Since God made the sun out of matter that God created in the first place then making animals and people was just a more interesting and wonderful development of the use of that same matter. It's atoms and electrons all the way..., ;) but that is just what we have named it, God may have a better description to share with us someday in the distant future.
It is my hope that we can share thoughts on this subject with love and amazement about God's wonderful and fulfilling plan for the whole of creation.
Kindly offered, Indiana bob
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 29, 2018, 02:38:09 PM ---Regarding Ray Smith's teaching about God's learning as we do; if that was what was meant.
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Ray never even implied that God learns like a man.
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