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Did God Ever Experience Anything Bad?
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 29, 2018, 02:38:09 PM ---When God decided to make a son and provide that son with a kingdom over which the son could rule and serve and build up, God didn't need to count the cost to God's self or any other entity, because God had the power and wisdom to create all things that would be needed as the need arose.
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It's obvious you did not watch the video or if you did watch it you did not understand it.
Ray goes to great length to explain where God's "wisdom" came from using the scriptures. God did not always have this wisdom as you say.
"It was difficult for God" Ray Smith
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 29, 2018, 02:38:09 PM ---but the implementation of the plan did not require testing or trying a variety of ideas to see what would work or what was best to accomplish God's purpose. If God thought of something in the first instance, then it was going to work as thought of, because God could invent/create what ever was required to do so.
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You don't know that for a fact - You make it sound like it was all very easy for God. He had a perfect thought and it just happened. No effort, no thought process. It just happened.
You need to watch the video Bob.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 29, 2018, 02:38:09 PM ---Since God made the sun out of matter that God created in the first place then making animals and people was just a more interesting and wonderful development of the use of that same matter. It's atoms and electrons all the way..., ;) but that is just what we have named it, God may have a better description to share with us someday in the distant future.
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Angles are spirit and have no matter. Are they just afterthoughts?
When it comes to humans it's not 'electrons all the way'. It's God's spirit in us that makes us human and worthy of God's attention.
indianabob:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on October 29, 2018, 04:23:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 29, 2018, 02:38:09 PM ---but the implementation of the plan did not require testing or trying a variety of ideas to see what would work or what was best to accomplish God's purpose. If God thought of something in the first instance, then it was going to work as thought of, because God could invent/create what ever was required to do so.
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You don't know that for a fact - You make it sound like it was all very easy for God. He had a perfect thought and it just happened. No effort, no thought process. It just happened.
You need to watch the video Bob.
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Hi Dennis,
Thank you for the kind reply.
Question: what is so strange about God having the power to create "easily"?
Is it because God is so patient and long suffering toward us?
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We want to believe that God is so much superior to any idea that mankind could conceive, so why cannot God be able to create by fiat, by thinking the thought or saying the word, rather than after much struggle over long periods of time, time as it applies to God not to humans? Does having to struggle to fulfill a concept make the result more valuable? Not for God. All is of God in the final analysis.
I view God as able to watch us sinning against one another as a parent observing his own children wrestling or fighting over a toy or any other selfish attitude. Why should God be overly concerned to see children behaving as they were designed to behave and having to learn through physical pain or even death that there is a much better way and that only God can provide it, when God is ready so to do.
God taught the first parents to avoid the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but God knew they would disobey and expected it, otherwise why put Satan in the garden to tempt eve?
We are not put here to learn to be perfect as God is perfect; that is impossible. Rather we are here to learn that God alone can make us perfect and only at a time that God decides it is best; after the lord Jesus is ruling on the earth.
indianabob:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on October 29, 2018, 04:38:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: indianabob on October 29, 2018, 02:38:09 PM ---Since God made the sun out of matter that God created in the first place then making animals and people was just a more interesting and wonderful development of the use of that same matter. It's atoms and electrons all the way..., ;) but that is just what we have named it, God may have a better description to share with us someday in the distant future.
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Angles are spirit and have no matter. Are they just afterthoughts?
When it comes to humans it's not 'electrons all the way'. It's God's spirit in us that makes us human and worthy of God's attention.
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Hi again Dennis,
Thanks for your patience and please forgive my curiosity on this subject if it seems inappropriate.
True, angels are not flesh and blood, but we don't even have a definition for "spirit" other than invisible like breath. We just know spirit by its power in the physical realm, yes, no?
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As far as the electron idea for how atoms are made and exist to form matter, it is the best we can imagine so far and without God keeping us alive physically we would have no real use for God's spirit since it doesn't function in a person apart from a living body to receive and be aware of the effect it has on our daily lives.
For example, when we are dead we can no longer appreciate God's spirit. Not until a future resurrection to life once again. Would you agree?
Also, I don't believe that we are "worthy" of God's attention. Any attention we get from God is due to God's desire to work with us for God's own purposes and not for any worthiness of our own. We are just the dust, the clay that God is molding into whatever form or finished product that God desires.
Kindly offered, Bob
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