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The Overwhelming Desire to Live

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Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote ---Like the lady in my first sentence, Adam and Eve were really excited about reproduction.
God told them to "get to it" and make a lot of babies, so maybe like the woman I mentioned they probably made quite a few, perhaps one every couple of years or less. I'm sure Adam was eager to obey God in this way regardless of his previous disobedience regarding the forbidden fruit.
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We have the generations of Adam recorded in Genesis 5:

Notice Seth begat sons and daughters. It doesn't say he married his own sister.


--- Quote ---Also you mentioned that Cain knew that there were other people.
Of course he did...they were Adam's children and brothers or sisters or cousins to Cain and Abel.
They probably had grown up with both brothers and worked to build homes and orchards and herds of sheep and played together for years.
It was a very large family and Adam and Eve led them as is normal for parents to do.
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Are you sure about that Bob?


Gen 5:1  This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2  Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Gen 5:3  And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Gen 5:4  And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:5  And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Gen 5:6  And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
Gen 5:7  And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:8  And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
Gen 5:9  And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
Gen 5:10  And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:11  And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:12  And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
Gen 5:13  And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:14  And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
Gen 5:15  And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
Gen 5:16  And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:17  And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:18  And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
Gen 5:19  And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:20  And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
Gen 5:21  And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
Gen 5:22  And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:23  And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Gen 5:24  And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Gen 5:25  And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
Gen 5:26  And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:27  And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Gen 5:28  And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Gen 5:29  And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Gen 5:30  And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
Gen 5:31  And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Gen 5:32  And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Musterseed:
Gen.4:16
And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the Land of Nod
on the east of Eden.17: and Cain knew his wife, and she conceived.

So I am thinking Cain met his wife in the Land of Nod.

Nod, H5113- vagrancy, land of Cain
        H5112- exile , wandering, vagabond , to wander, flee

Sounds like Nod is the world of wandering, spiritually, dead sinners who are lost.

When I was growing up Nod meant time to sleep. Going to bed. The Land Of Sleep.🤔
Or nodding off, sleepy.

I have a notebook that says on the front,,, Not all those who wander are lost.😁

I have E-sword now and one word leads to endless words and meanings. Amazing.
East means,in front of.

In Christ, Pamela

Wanda:
Yes Bob I agree, we are all born spiritually dead. I should have said, God's spirit was not upon the people outside the garden, as it was with Adam.


--- Quote ---Addressing your comment re: the "people" outside the Garden of Eden.

There weren't any people inside the Garden because God sent Adam and Eve out before there were any kids. Yes/no?
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What makes you think Adam didn't learn of these people's existence  from God, prior to leaving the garden? We have no idea how long after they sinned they left the garden. I don't think its reasonable to consider God banished Adam and Eve immediately,  before preparing them In some way.for what they were facing.

We see this in Genesis 3:19, “By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground.” This was not just about the labor of plowing a field, but about all labor in life they would face for the remaider of their lives.

And again in Genesis 3: 21 where God made clothes of skin and clothed them.

I don't believe for one minute, a God of such Emence  love and mercy, did not prepare these once sheltered people for life outside of their perfect existence. A God who so thoughtfully planned, purposed and  orchestrated all of creation, to include that Adam and Eve sin, surely would not, or could not do anything different than prepare them


--- Quote ---Also you mentioned that Cain knew that there were other people.
Of course he did...they were Adam's children and brothers or sisters or cousins to Cain and Abel.
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I used to believe that also Bob, but I've since learned that I had a very limited ability to see, and as a result my understanding was wrong.about many things pertaining to God.  God has shown me time and again I can't rely on my own understanding, therefore I don't have much, if any trust in what I think.

Wanda:
Bob -

I find it interesting that God created more than  two of each living creature, during the creation process, to share the responsibility of populating the earth,  and yet only created one man and one women.

I've given some thought to what you said about  women and her reproductive capabilities, and it gave me quiet a laugh.

Only a man, who has never experienced pregnancy and  childbirth would consider God  putting that kind of responsibility and burden on one women to mass produce. .with that kind of logic, I can understand why some women think God is a women hater.  ;)

Edited to add this.

Bob,

Someone else, after reading my comment, missed my lame attempt at using humour to be thought provoking, so I want to assure you, it was not an attempt to be disparaging in any way. I was thinking of what you once said about your wife never letting you forget the pain she endured to give you children.

In person, I'm quiet funny, but that doesn't always come across very clear in txt.

nshan:
Hey just wanted to add in some two cents for this discussion. Not to contend with others but to be mindful.

If what you say is true then why do the scriptures say:
1 Ti 2:13 - For Adam was first formed then Eve.
1 Co 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1 Co 15:45 - And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam a quickening spirit.
Rom 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
Rom 5:14 - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15 - But not as the offence, so also the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Luke 3:38 - Which was of Enos, which was of Seth, which was of Adam, which was of God.


To me (maybe not others) it seems this is what is implied:
For as SOME in Adam die (we are not all from Adam after all, others are from others after all), even so in Christ shall SOME be made alive. (But Christ is the savior of everyone is he not? This is a big hint)
And it is written, the first man [out of other first men that may or may not have come before/after Adam who knows] was made a living soul...
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. (Adam must have either sneezed on everyone else who never sinned to pass this sin, or we were all born from the same type of weak flesh of the first formed Adam?)
etc.

It is also important to notice:
1 Ti 1:4 - Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith.
Tit 3:9 - But avoid foolish questions and genealogies and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Take of it what you will, I just have doubts. And, as Paul describes, such topics aren't really great in building up others if they are put down that maybe they aren't of X or Y genealogy. I know such things don't actually matter as children of the light worship in spirit and truth. I'm sure there are many other scriptures one could find to testify that we (everyone up to Adam) are children of God (not all in spirit yet obviously) and he is actually our Father in heaven which is why he says things like Egypt my people in Isaiah 19:25.

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