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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
Wanda:
No matter what any of us believe or don't believe, Jesus is still LORD. The way the truth and the life. Alpha and the Omega, The Almighty! Who is and was and is to come.
Glory be to his holy name.
Dennis Vogel:
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
So who in the above verse are the un-dead? This clearly says some living humans are dead (figuratively speaking) and some are living (also figuratively speaking).
These verses define the living:
Psa 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
'Living water' does not me literal water.
Jer 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Heidi:
Nshan, take a breath. You say, "you don't even believe that there was even ONE ADAM".
None of us have said that. My advice is that you read the thread from start to finish again and see if it gets clearer.
We need to be united in spirit. Everything is first physical, that implies that there WAS one Adam. Absolutely correct and there ONE Christ which was physical but who had a spiritual message.
John 6:63 "The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life."
1 Cor 3:14 T"he natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned"
We are all on this site to discuss things in a unified manner, to learn from Ray's teachings and to encourage one another.
Love
Heidi
nshan:
Okay. Am I talking to brick walls, parrots, or humans? Do you all honestly even study to show yourselves proved?
Here are some quotations on what I'm challenging:
"There were definitely humans on the earth before Adam and Eve."
"Yes he did say there were people on the earth before Adam, but that is scientifically indisputable and not unscriptural."
"There were certainly other living beings before Adam was breathed life into. The difference is that from Adam onwards, we follow Christs ancestry."
Here are some scriptures (maybe read them this time?):
1Co 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Ti 2:13 - For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
Rom 5:12 - Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned.
Gen 5:1-2 - This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man in the likeness of God made he him. Male and female created he them and blessed them, and called their name Adam in the day they were created.
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 08, 2020, 06:01:58 PM ---Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
So who in the above verse are the un-dead? This clearly says some living humans are dead (figuratively speaking) and some are living (also figuratively speaking).
These verses define the living:
Psa 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
'Living water' does not me literal water.
Jer 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
--- End quote ---
Again, more detraction. You act like I do not know these things. Do you even believe the basic scriptures above that Adam was FIRST FORMED? Or was he SECOND FORMED? If he was SECOND FORMED we CANNOT ALL BE IN ADAM AND CHRIST CAN'T DIE FOR ALL OF THOSE IN ADAM. I'll say it again, we can't all be in Adam and NOT BE.
Why is this so difficult for all of you to comprehend? Am I just smashing your golden cows? If you can't even understand or believe in the physical examples at all, how will you even move onto the spiritual AT ALL? I believe it to be blasphemy to cast others from the family of God, but perhaps you still wouldn't understand why I say this even if I gave you a thousand more scriptures. If you want to believe in the wisdom of this world or theories of men that's all fine and dandy but at least be honest about it... may God grant you all an actual heart for his family.
Heidi:
Nshan,
I believe that God created Adam approx. 6000 years ago. This is if we follow the chronology of Genesis.
In the book of the generations of Adam, in the day that God created man in the likeness of God made he him. The beginning of Jesus's human ancestry.
I am not disputing it at all. I dont understand why you are getting so upset.
I believe that Adam was first formed and then Eve.
I believe that as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
I believe all the scriptures you quoted. They are all inspired by God.
Heidi
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