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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
nshan:
--- Quote from: Musterseed on March 09, 2020, 06:37:13 PM ---Hi Octoberose
I was reading about this today in ( More of Rays teaching transcripts on the forum)
An email about the creation account in Genesis. I will quote some of what Ray had to say about it ok.
Chapter two does not recount the creation of humanity, but rather the creation of Adam and Eve.
In Gen.1:6 God made ( Heb. asah) male and female. In Gen. 2:6 God formed ( Heb. yatsar) Adam.
Two different Hebrew words , two different formations. Notice that it doesn’t say in chapter 2 vs. 3
that there was no man on earth at this time but rather that there was no man to till the ground.
There were men but they were hunters/ gatherers, not farmers. God is now going to make a more
advanced human to cultivate the land. The phrase dress it and keep it is tend and cultivate.God is
teaching Adam to be a farmer.
There is more so you can read it. Hope it helps.
John 15:1
I am the true vine and my Father is the farmer.
God is our spiritual farmer.😀
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Hey Musterseed, the scripture quotes are a little off but:
Look up Strong's H3335 for yatsar, H6213 for asah and Strong's H120 and H121 (Adam).
Genesis 2 is an emphasis on the creation of Adam in Genesis 1. The beginning of Genesis 5 also recaps this creation as the generations of Adam in the likeness of God. Look carefully at Gen 5:1-2. There could be no other men because God explained he just created them in his image.
Wanda:
--- Quote ---And the Adam in the garden was a descendant, chosen from among the humanity God created. A starting point in his plan, of salvation for all. If that were true, then all are in Adam. Problem solved.
Yes, problem solved! Not. Now, we're not all in Adam now, and he is no longer first formed as the scriptures I presented earlier state. Now Jesus Christ is only going to save some. And what about Eve since she was taken out of this Adam? I guess there were and still are no women now.
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In Genesis 1 God created both male and female. If he chose a male from among the humanity he created, it's logical to assume he also chose a female. If that were true they would all be of one blood, and created in the image of God, but where that theory falls on it's face, women was not taken out of man until he had been in the garden for some time, so it's obvious, to me anyway, there were no women out there on the earth somewhere. And we know there wasn't two seperate creations of humanity, because God does not lie.
As I said it was something I had considered, but like other things I speculated on, I couldn't come to any scriptural conclution. Honestly it's not important to me and not something I've spent much time on. I'm content in believing there was one man Adam and one women Eve, because it's what God has conclusively revealed, and everything else is conjecture. I'm pretty sure Ray knew that too, otherwise he would have expounded on the subject.
We all search out things pertaining to God, it's what humans do in our quest to know him better. Where we go with any of it should be rooted in decernment and not conjecture. Just my opinion.
Musterseed:
From LOF pt. 10, free will
Quote from Ray regarding Adam and Eve
“ I can’t wait to meet Adam and Eve, up close and personal. They are kin. You know?
And don’t think for one second that they won’t be in the Family of God. I guarantee you
the scriptures say that they will, albeit by way of the purifying spiritual pond of spiritual
fire, which is the second spiritual death.
Adam and Eve will have a position of high honor throughout all eternity. Without the first man Adam
there would never have been the second and last man Adam, Jesus Christ, the Savior of All.
For as in Adam, ALL; so in Christ, ALL.;
I say Amen to that and to quote Ray again” Spirit is thicker than blood”
Gen 1:26
Then God said
Let us make man in our image and after our likeness,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Eph. 4:24
and to put on the new self, reacted after the likeness of God in true righteousness and
holiness.
Eph. 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God
prepared beforehand ,that we should walk in them.
It’s a long suffering process ,and for those who overcome this world and finish the
race the rewards are great but none more than having the opportunity to help
our Lord and Savior, save the rest of humanity who are suffering so.
We MUST ( thats a very important word) keep the unity of the spirit and pray
Thy will be done. Come Lord Jesus, all Praise and Glory.
Out with the old and in with the new😁💕
ZekeSr:
--- Quote from: nshan on March 11, 2020, 12:25:36 AM ---Dennis, the wisdom (not the stupidity) of this world is foolishness to God. Science is the observation and study of natural phenomena. A minority of the churches even really agree on the 6000 years, some believe in evolution or other man-made doctrines and do err. They want to believe the world and God, but they cannot have both. Either God has placed the Old Dragon to deceive or not. Do you know what a deceiver does? Consider what a deceiver and his children do or would do. Also, you do realize that according to church doctrine Jesus Christ was made manifest in the flesh and born of a virgin? The church also seems to agree that we all need air to breath.
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I remember watching a fundamentalist on TV a few years ago saying that dinosaur fossils were put there by God to "confound the wise" and make them look foolish.
In 1690 Giordano Bruno was burned alive at the stake for heretically believing that there were exoplanets revolving around the stars which he claimed were actually other suns.
When Scripture and real proven science do not seem to mesh it is neither science nor Scripture that are wrong. It is misunderstanding, dogma, and quite often mistranslation. That has been one of the biggest take-aways I have gotten from Ray. And I do remember him stating that a proper translation of Scripture was in the tense of CREATING HUMANITY is GOD in His Image. It is an ongoing work. We are NOT the image of God either in appearance or spirit... including Adam and Eve. I wish I could remember where... perhaps someone else knows.
Mike
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Wanda:
Bob and Nshan,
I am not disputing Eve was the mother of all who would be born. Nor that she is the first mother. I understood that from a very young age and have never found any scriptural reason for not continuing in that belief. Is that not believing in the physicall? It was the truth of this, that led me to the spiritual understanding that I now have. Are we not to move on from milk to the meat of God's word which is spiritual, isn't that the natural progression of being in Christ?
To only emphasize the physical or the spiritual, is what I believe is causing confusion and frustration. I'm guilty of the latter.
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