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how to address Jesus in the resurrection
Porter:
Hi Bob,
I know when the "once to die" and "after this the judgment" is applied to the Elect, it's 100 percent spiritual. I'm also 100 percent sure the "after this the judgment" also called the "second death" is also spiritual when applied to the "goats" that are cast into the lake of fire.
I'm just not sure about the "goats" being mortal before their judgment. I personally do not see any problem with the "goats" being resurrected immortal and then dying a second spiritual death.
By the way, I'm not completely sure if Ray was correct in his interpretation of I Thess. 4:15 and I Cor. 15:51, as I see it as words of spirit. Could I be wrong? Yes, totally, but I'm not too worried about it.
indianabob:
Hi again Porter,
Thanks for your reply.
Please let me try to clear up my view a little.
In my understanding...everyone who is not elect goes to the white throne judgement or evaluation of their past lives.
At that time if their name is found in the book of life they are made immortal.
Made immortal by God's grace and not by anything they have done to earn it.
So keep in mind that these folks didn't know their fate until they were resurrected. Right??
Most of them had never heard of a Messiah or a Christ.
They died thinking that there was nothing else. Once you are dead that is it. You only live once they would say.
That knowledge was only given to the children of Abraham the Israelites. Right??
So don't they have to be resurrected as mortal to face their evaluation?
God will forgive them, true, but they did not know that when they died.
Also how long will the evaluation/judgement take? The Bible doesn't say, but God is gracious and will I think grant time to understand all the details at that time.
Keep in mind that this is NOT a time of condemnation it is a time of education for most who have never had a bible or been in a church congregation. Of course we all are condemned to die...until we are given forgiveness by God.
If their name is not found in the book of life they are killed or die again which is the lake of fire.
So then how can those not found in the book of life be killed if they are already immortal or deathless?
There are more details of course, but please ask specific questions if you want.
Thanks for your patience with my views.
Indiana Bob
Musterseed:
I just put Hitler in the search engine and # 14 Transcript,,, Physical or Spiritual
resurrection bodies for the wicked and non believers came up.
Ray pretty well explains this whole discussion that we have been discussing.
We diligently dig for His treasures and He leads us to the field.😁
All Glory to God
Porter:
--- Quote from: indianabob on March 03, 2022, 07:04:21 PM ---So then how can those not found in the book of life be killed if they are already immortal or deathless?
--- End quote ---
The way I understand it is, the second death/lake of fire represents the death of carnality, aka the beast within. Consider that Satan is a spirit, despite the fact, he possesses a carnal mind that needs to die.
AK4:
I don't know how you guys are interpreting what I'm saying as if it's anywhere close to the immortal soul doctrine. I'm not saying the elect was born with an immortal soul or whatever. I clearly said I'm not by saying Satan's lie is you have a immortal soul but what Paul is saying in 1 Cor 15 is that the mortal, who by definition can't be or have an immortal anything, will become immortal. Think of it like someone was essentially born to die but yet was spared.
The generation that fulfills that prophecy, and that has to be prophecy, won't die even though at first, they know like every human really knows, we all are supposed to die.
I don't know. Maybe lm not being clear enough in what I'm saying
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