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brokenagain:
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---I don't agree with the constraint as it seems unfair to restrict me from using a resource, albeit an imperfect one. There is no perfect translation. But I understand why you distrust the King James. The reason I mentioned it is because most folks who believe in hell also believe that the King James is infallible. I no longer believe that, but I still see it as a valuable resource. Shouldn't I be able to use a resource that I find to be valuable?
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I'm sorry for making it seem like I was trying to restrict you. I just meant that I personally will not be using it as it is generally the most unreliable of the translations, though I do enjoy the poetry of it as opposed to some of our newer translations.
The translations I will be using are the ESV and NASB. Once in a while I go to the NIV or TNIV.
Thanks for helping me clarify.
Brandon
love_magnified:
No problem.
orion77:
I, too am welcome to open discussion as long as name calling and presumptions are left at the door. The love of God surpasses all understanding. This is what I wish to discuss. As long as it has to do with the edifying of the body of Christ and the love, forgiveness and mercy of God. These are what I seek for.
I have longed for many years for a place where I can fellowship with like minded believers. They are few and far between. I am from the bible belt and hence the majority are bible thumping hellfire and brimstone preachers. Not to be calling anyone names, but just so you understand of my situation. We are taught to call Him our Father. My physical father is a good man and I know he loves me, but my heavenly Father has a fatherly love which is greater. Until I realized that I truly can do nothing of my ownself, and that His will be done and not mine...then God (my father) turned a light on and welcomed me with open and loving arms. His ways are wise indeed, by Him being a loving Father, I had to get to that point first before He would show me the infinite love He has in store for not just me, but for all of His creation. It is His creation to do with as He pleases, to mold (create), us in His image through His son Jesus.
As my signature denotes below, it is all about love. Love for God and love for our neighbor. Love casts out all fear.
Sincerely,
Gary
Falconn003:
wow truly wonderful
Hope the fellowship goes very well and eddyfing for everyone involved.
May God grace you all
Rodger
brokenagain:
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--- Quote ---"Hell" in the instance of verse 14, is a mistranslation. The word used here is Hades. Hades and Hell are two very different places. Hades is the repository of souls who await the judgment. After the resurrection, Hades serves no purpose any longer, therefore it is destroyed in the lake of fire.
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Hades is not a repository of souls. It is the state of death, which itself is destroyed in the same lake. Therefore if death is destroyed, no form of it may exist, including separation from God. You seem to make a distinction between Hades and Hell, but are ignoring the fact that "hell" was translated from "hades" in the King James! So why do you draw a difference now in Revelation? The most interesting thing about both the word "hell" and "hades" is that in their root form they both mean "concealed" or "hidden." That's where we get the word "helmut" from. Back in the day, Germans ("hel" is a German word) used to "hell" their potatoes. That meant that they buried them. Therefore there is no difference between hell and hades at all, they just aren't what you think they are. They eventually (like all pagans did) turned that concept into a big mythical underworld:
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I did read the article you posted, but I prefer to answer your statements rather than Wikipedia's, mainly because I can't really argue with Wikipedia - I am by no means an Etymologist.
You're right about the origin of the word "hell," however, I think we have our concepts twisted up a bit here. We're getting hung up on the word "hell." I think it would help at this point to throw out the term altogether as it comes with a lot of baggage we do not need. However, I will say that the appropriation of a pagan word to describe a Christian doctrine does not discount the doctrine. The problem with the doctrine is not found in its name, but in its construction, and that is what we want to look at.
Okay, so here we go. I equate gehenna and the Lake of Fire. It is doubtless that the image of the Lake of Fire is generated from Jesus' use of gehenna.
Hades, you're right, is death, but not with a sense of finality. Hades is the realm of death, or the realm of the dead. It is the NT equivalent of Sheol. In Hades all souls await their final judgment, this is what is meant in Revelation 20 when Hades "gives up its dead." At that point souls either enter Heaven or are thrown into the Lake of Fire.
Brandon
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