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Before Eve took a bite
Beloved:
Some day hopefully the technology will allow for real time and face to face forum. We seem to keep having these misunderstandings. I know very well because I too fell in to this trap not too long ago and got bent out of shape with Mercie
We all want to fully understand and grasp the basis for our belief so we can share them with others. We have people here on this forum and viewers that are at different stages of growth. Some of us may still have man made beliefs that they have not let go.
It is the Faith of Christ that brought us where we are. We need to let Him work on us so we can all develope more patience and kindness towards each other.
Since my own little fiasco I now try to ask myself before I post " How can I serve this person that I am replying to and am also serving the forum viewers". I also try to think about how Paul dealth with all the "pagan and illiterate" people (compared to his being a scholar) It seems that he always tried his best to be humble and gentle.
I do not think that what is being said is always that bad ....but how it appears to the reader.
Writing can be so blunt sometimes. ::)
Lets use more Please and Pardon me etc and .........maybe a lot more smilies.
;D ;) ;D ;) ;D ;) ;D ;) ;D ;) ;D ;) ;D ;D ;D
Beloved
chuckusa:
Beloved,
That was beautiful...I mean that. To admit ones wrong doing, is truly of God.
We also have to remember that an issue that means nothing to us, may mean a great deal to someone else. I for one don't want to second guess God by dismissing, what may appear to be, someone with a lesser understanding, yet who may NEED an answer to their question, as God has directed them.
If it is true, that the faith of Christ brought us here (and I DO believe that) then it follows that we should consider this fact when addressing someone with less than due respect. I believe in correction, but only gentle correction, unless of course stronger action is warrented to protect, but again only as directed by God. In my experience, people who are here for intentions other than good, will soon tire of their inability to cause division or strife, and will leave on their own accord eventually. Consistent and God centered gentle opposition to ones who do works out of darkness, I feel is the best way to deal with these issues.
For myself, I questioned the concept of Hell 35 years ago as a child in Sunday school, and NEVER believed that God would burn anyone in a fire for all eternity. If God loved people as much as I did, HOW COULD HE? But YET...I have recieved "attitude" from people here (VERY VERY FEW I WANT TO ADD) who ADMIT that they only started to see these things a few months ago. It really only makes me sad. I am here to learn, and if my simple questions make anyone frustrated, then hey...skip my post and move on...and if I am causing a problem or breaking the rules, then GENTLY TELL ME, and I will stop and apologize. Isn't that how we should act?
This is off the subject, but Beloved you just got me thinking.
Love to all, sorry I got off subject,
Chuck
hillsbororiver:
Hi Chuck, I hear you Brother,
We all need to practice discernment tempered with patience and longsuffering, if someone comes to fellowship with us in a humble spirit we as brothers and sisters should be receptive to them, if they cause strife and contention by holding on to man made doctrines and attempt to preach the gospel of Babylon after admonishments by the brethren they should be invited to leave us.
Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Mal 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Mal 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
When we are confronted with those who would dilute the Gospel or spew vain contention it is imperitive that we be bold in the faith of Him who has freed us from the bonds of this world, we should not be timid in the name of "love."
Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
1Ti 6:11 But thou, man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love patience, meekness.
Tit 2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
His Peace and Wisdom to all of you,
Joe
jerreye:
According to Ray, Eve committed every known category of sin known to man before she ever touched or ate of the tree of knowledge (if I am wrong on this, then perhaps I misread Ray..if so, please forgive me).
If this is so (and it may well be) then every time any of us finds an apple to be "good for food", we are actually SINNING? If I happen to find a juicy t-bone steak "good for food", then I am actually commiting a SIN? This doesn't settle well in my stomach (like a juicy t-bone would, right about now)! Perhaps I am mising somthing here :-\ Perhaps the real SIN in all this is the LUSTING over it EXCESSIVELY. In other words, it is ok to desire a t-bone, just not to the point of losing self-control over it...
I mean, if desiring a piece of chocolate cake - because I find it good for food - (or desert) is a sin, then I am really screwed!
Kat:
Hi jerreye,
I think maybe you are trying to look at this in a physical sense.
This is more than the physical act,
of desiring food to eat, unless we are a glutton (Proverbs 23:21).
It is spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught
by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. (ESV)
Yes, she was lusting for the fruit,
the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (1 John2:16),
all of these were already in her heart,
but then she acted upon her desires.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?
James 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin. And sin,
when it is fully formed, brings forth death.
I don't think Eve ate of the fruit because she was hunger, she had plenty to eat,
and God told her not to eat it.
But it became an idol of the heart,
because it was, 'a tree to be desired to make one wise'.
But God knew that her carnal mind would give in to the desires of the flesh,
He was the one who made her weak to the pulls of the flesh in the first place.
Mat 26:41 Watch and pray that you enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Hope this gives you some food for thought :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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