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Christ volunteered to go to the cross!
Kat:
Thanks Gary,
You said that very well.
I was beginning to think I had gotten in over my head here.
I am not trying to put myself across as an authority on this,
but if I can help anyone, I'm glad to do it.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
TRUTHSEEKER:
I have a thought. Please comment anyone if you are thinking along the same lines as I am. If not, I love to learn so here it goes. Ray taught that nothing happens without a cause. The overall cause behind all things is God. Whether indirectly or directly it is all of God. As concerning Christ going to the cross this all important event didn't occur without cause. The cause of Jesus' voluntary act of dying on the cross for his creation was in fact the Father's will (Isa 53). Because, of this all important fact God the Father did not have to force his son to go through the ordeal that he did. The cause was already set in motion before the foundations of the world. Jesus came to do the will of the Father. It couldn't have happen any other way unless God wanted it to have the sins of the world paid for another way. Jesus prayed "NEVERTHELESS, NOT AS I WILL, BUT AS THOU WILL" (Matt. 26:36-39) in the Garden of Gethsemane. What did the Father do? He gave him the resolve to go through with this ordeal by sending an angel to comfort him (Luke 22:43-44). The act was voluntary but not without cause. It was the greatest show of obedience to God. "I can of Mine Own Self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not My Own will, but the WILL OF THE FATHER WHICH HAS SENT ME" (John 5:30).
"For I came down from heaven, not to do Mine Own will, but the will of HIM THAT SENT ME" (John 6:38).
orion77:
--- Quote from: TRUTHSEEKER on September 13, 2006, 05:20:04 PM ---I have a thought. Please comment anyone if you are thinking along the same lines as I am. If not, I love to learn so here it goes. Ray taught that nothing happens without a cause. The overall cause behind all things is God. Whether indirectly or directly it is all of God. As concerning Christ going to the cross this all important event didn't occur without cause. The cause of Jesus' voluntary act of dying on the cross for his creation was in fact the Father's will (Isa 53). Because, of this all important fact God the Father did not have to force his son to go through the ordeal that he did. The cause was already set in motion before the foundations of the world. Jesus came to do the will of the Father. It couldn't have happen any other way unless God wanted it to have the sins of the world paid for another way. Jesus prayed "NEVERTHELESS, NOT AS I WILL, BUT AS THOU WILL" (Matt. 26:36-39) in the Garden of Gethsemane. What did the Father do? He gave him the resolve to go through with this ordeal by sending an angel to comfort him (Luke 22:43-44). The act was voluntary but not without cause. It was the greatest show of obedience to God. "I can of Mine Own Self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not My Own will, but the WILL OF THE FATHER WHICH HAS SENT ME" (John 5:30).
"For I came down from heaven, not to do Mine Own will, but the will of HIM THAT SENT ME" (John 6:38).
--- End quote ---
I agree, yet so many can't see these simple truths. That is what cracks me up about the teaching of mans freewill, where they say we choose to go to heaven or hell. Where is the sovereignty of God and the mission of Christ in that doctrine? So many attempt to raise their own freewill up and over the will of God. An impossible task.
I thank God, that He has not left our eternal destiny up to our sinful, rebellious ways. If that were the case, we would all be up the creek without a paddle.
God bless,
Gary
Kat:
Hi TRUTHSEEKER,
--- Quote ---Because, of this all important fact God the Father did not have to force his son to go through the ordeal that he did.
--- End quote ---
It was not the Father trying to force Jesus,
He could not be taken by forced by the Jews, Pilate, or the Roman soldiers.
--- Quote ---Jesus prayed "NEVERTHELESS, NOT AS I WILL, BUT AS THOU WILL" (Matt. 26:36-39) in the Garden of Gethsemane. What did the Father do? He gave him the resolve to go through with this ordeal by sending an angel to comfort him (Luke 22:43-44). The act was voluntary but not without cause. It was the greatest show of obedience to God.
--- End quote ---
There was never any question to His obedience.
It was the greatest act of love that was possible for Him to show us.
I just see these few things a bit different.
But over all it's sounds right.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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