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chuckusa:
Hey Sean,


Bobby brought up some good points. I also want to clearify what I said because I didn't mean to confuse you. I often assume that other people know what direction I am headed with something and then I leave out too much information.

When I say that I believe that depression comes from unresolved sin, this is more what I meant. Our conscience, which acts a s a "liaison" between the conscious and unconscious mind, does a good job of constantly reminding us of things that we need to know, or face, or understand. I'm sure you have had times where you might say " my conscience is bothering me", and so you go and attempt to resolve that issue. When things are just nagging at us, we tend to feel depressed. At this level, I do feel that our feelings of depression are from unresolved issues (sin) But there is another side to that as Bobby explained.

He mentioned that he takes Paxil. I take a drug called Buspar, which is very similar. When you get to a point where normal functioning is difficult, then that is clearly a different issue. As far as it being unresolved sin, my standpoint was taken from the entire human issue of disease as a whole, and not from a personal level of accountibility. I certainly don't mean that if someone gets cancer or had clinical depression or whetever, that they must have committed a sin and just won't confess it or anything of that nature. I realize that some people may say things like that and I want to make sure you don't think that is what I meant. Mankind is sin, everything bad or evil or harmful is from sin. I was getting way too deep into that subject without explaining myself clearly, so I apologize fot that.

When I said that my depression motivates me, I meant that I do work hard to "clear" my conscience, that those nagging issues do motivate me to an "act" of resolution to the best of my ability. So at that level depression often works in my favor.

A clinical depression, as Bobby mentioned is a very difficult and serious thing. This type can permeate your entire life and can be extremely debilitating. That is when you must seek help. God gave us the art of medicine, and I believe that we should utilize it when ever possible.

You are NOT crazy my friend, we all have moments of depression, especially during times that we are being cleansed by the spirit. I too love that verse that Joe quoted. Things can truly seem "strange" at times during our walk. It is true, it can be brutal, but you are going through the same things that we all go through, I assure you. We all doubt or question God at times, but that doesn't mean that it will always be that way. These things do take time.

Anyway, this is way too long, but I regret when I don't explain myself very well, just wanted to clearify what I said.

Sean, you have come to the right place for understanding. Put all your trust in God, and in time it will truly all come together as God intended.

Your Brother,
Chuck

stego:
Hey again Chuck and Bobby,
    I empathize with both of you.  Don't worry Chuck, you didn't cause my confusion, you just brought to mind a subject that confused me.  After many years of feeling terrible, i too went to the doctor and tried a couple different medications.  They didn't do much, but i also went to see a pyschologist, and that helped more.  I have realized since then that my depression is caused by the bad things i often believe to be true, which are really not.  But i know that different people have different kinds of depression so different treatments work.  Bobby, i know what you mean about it being tough to get out of bed.   I think you give a very good possible explanation for why God has caused us to bear this kind of burden.  We know there must be a good reason, and being able to help/comfort and understand others who feel the same could be part of it.    I am very thankful to meet you guys!   It's good to know there are people out there that can realate that i can talk to.   Bobby you are way too loving to be at all depressed lol.  God bless you both Chuck and Bobby!  To bed i go.

Sean

chuckusa:
Bobby,

You are so right about that. Trying to show the love of Christ to most people often ends up in disaster. It can most certainly turn into a "fleeting moment of Joy". It is sad, but it only illustrates the differences in peoples hearts. Someone can be nice, happy, sucessful, moral, helpful, giving...on and on, and yet...they have no love in their hearts whatsoever.

Try showing them love, or giving them a hug, or doing something for them out of our "Christ Like attitude"...and they freak out! It can be very depressing, but it also shows me how I used to be, and that is very sobering and uplifting. Like they say, you don't know what you had until its GONE.

Sean..thanks for that note, I'm glad I didn't confuse you I just wanted to be sure. Brother we seem to have a lot of common ailments, but thank God that we both know the cure. I'm thankful for meeting you as well, thanks for the good words. Talk to you later.

Love,
Chuck

Kat:

Hi Bobby and Chuck,

I have been following your discussion and
I understand what you mean about people misunderstanding
your motives in a act of kindness.
But I have also had a different experience,
when dealing with someone who is frustrated and becoming angry.
If they are becoming curt, instead of escalating the situation,
keeping your voice low and speak kindly.
This can turn the situation totally around.
I have used this technique a no. of times
and usually the other person will apology for being abrupt.
Meekness is a difficult fruit to show sometimes.

Pro 15:1  A soft answer turneth away wrath; But a grievous word stirreth up anger.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

Deborah-Leigh:
That is beautiful Bobby

How much faith will Christ find when He returns?...He observed for us to contemplate.  I think the less we see of His Spirit the more we forget Him and fall into a dark sleep of forgetfulness or amnesia....I think that is where most of the worlds population are right now....in a deep sleep...and that is not to condemn them or judge them in a superior way...It just makes me shudder! that the darkness of the world is so intense right now.

.It is wonderful to see the mind-of Christ exibit the Spirit of Christ to assist the followers of Christ through the teachings we are getting via Ray. There for the Grace of God go we!....I am so grateful for the mercy of God to give us light in our darkness and hope through our fellowship in His presence and love for all ...


Arcturus :)

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