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1 Cor 2:2
hillsbororiver:
Arcturus,
I think we are to live, act and believe we have the hope of being among the elect, this is what I am seeing. If we attribute the trials and tribulations to our Lord and our Father in heaven, is it not appropriate to consider ourselves (day by day) His Sons and Daughters? Not saying anyone should feel secure that they have made it, or have definitively been "chosen" but that we should live as one that has the hope of attaining this reward?
Hebrews 12
5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye ********, and not sons.
I see the Word admonish us to seek and hope for this great reward.
Romans Chapter 15
10And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
12And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
13Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
1 Corinthians 9
24Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
Colossians 3:12
12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
1John 3
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Ephesians Chapter 1 speaks of this hope as a forgone conclusion, the Is, Was, Will Be nature of our God as he sees us through the blood of our Lord.
Ephesians 1
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Joe
You say:
I think we are to live, act and believe we have the hope of being among the elect, this is what I am seeing.
1 Cor 10:24 Let no one then seek his own good and advantage and profit, but rather each on of the other, let him seek the welfare of his neighbor.
The above Scripture is what I see regarding serve, slave and trust rather than hope, believe and expect to be elelct.
2 Cor 5 :10 For we must all appear and be revealed as we are before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive his pay according to what he has done in the body, whether good or evil, considering what his purpose and motive have been and what he has achieved, been busy with, and given himself and his attention to accomplishing.
Eph 5 : 10 And try to learn in your experience what is pleasing to the Lord, let your lives be constant proofs of what is most acceptable to Him.
Eph 5 : 1 Be imitators of God, copy Him and follow HIS EXAMPLE
1 Peter 2 : 23 When He was reviled and insulted, He did not revile or offer insult in return, when He was abused and suffered, He made no threats of vengeance, but he trusted Himself and everything to Him Who judges fairly. (This is not to say that Jesus did not upbraid and expose those who contradict God and His word and Scripture! ....Ref. Ray's article:"You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!")
Rom 5 : 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, it is much more certain now that we are reconciled, that we shall be saved daily, delivered from sin's dominion through His resurrection life.
You ask; If we attribute the trials and tribulations to our Lord and our Father in heaven, is it not appropriate to consider ourselves (day by day) His Sons and Daughters? It is appropriate BUT IT IS NOT A gurantee.
E-mail to ray on March 15, 2006 Faith. quote..... .... not everyone who is chosen "endures to the end." It is not enough to be both called and chosen. There is also a third necessary ingredient. We must not only be called and chosen, but we must also be "faithful."
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Judas was "chosen," but Judas was not "faithful... to the end." unquote
It is appropriate to recognise that our names are written in the book of life as we imitate Christ. Eph 5 : 1...when we see that the spirits are subject to us we should Luke 10 : 20...not rejoice at this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are enrolled in heaven.
Rom 9 (The Message)... God (in the case of Rebecca) made it perfectly plain that His purpose is not a hit-or-miss thing dependent on what we do or don't do, but a sure thing determined by His decision, flowing steadily from HIS INITIATIVE. God told Moses
" I'm in charge of mercy. I'm in charge of compassion." Compassion doesn't originate in OUR BLEEDING HEARTS, or moral sweat, but in God's mercy. The same point was made when God said to Pharaoh, "I picked you as a bit player in this drama of MY SALVATION POWER." All we are saying is that GOD has the FIRST WORD, initiating the action in which WE PALAY OUR PART for good or ill. Are you going to object?............................."unquote
You write:Not saying anyone should feel secure... RIGHT! ...THAT... is my point!
You continue....but that we should live as one that has the hope of attaining this reward?
Joe I can walk with you up to...we should live as one that has the hope....Then I stop and you continue...I agree, we should live as one's who have and share the hope in belief that Jesus came to do the Father's Will John 5:30, Jesus came to save all John 12:47 Jesus led captivity captive Eph 4: 8-12, Jesus is able tosave to the uttermost Heb 7:25 Jesus has all in His hands and is Savior of all 1 Tim 4 :9-11 Jesus is ransom for all 1 Tim 2:6 Jesus tasted death for everyone Heb 2:9 Jesus set creation free Rom 8:18,20 Jesus subdues all unto Himself Phil 3 :21 jesus restores all things Acts 3 :20,21 Jesus will give life to all Father gives Him Jn 17.2 Jesus died for all 2 Cor 5:15 Jesus wil be worshipped by all Rev 5:13. therefore hope in Christ alone...not the reward!
For me Joe, before we can get to any reward we have to do the work. One of my favourite Scriptures is John 6 : 28, 29..What are we to do, that we may habitually be working the works of God: What are we to do to carry out what God requires? (Follow 1050 NT commandments?.......)Jesus replied,....THIS IS THE WORK, SERVICE that God asks of you; that you BELIEVE in the One Whom He has sent, that you cleave to, trust, rely on, and have faith in His Messenger. (Amplified)
I know that I am predestined by God. Does this mean I should give up and bury my tallents. NO! I believe that Rom 14:11-12 All of us shall be presented at the dais of God....Consequently then each of us shall be giving account concerning Himself to God.
I do not desire to say when I get there that I lived my life to get the reward. I prefer to say I lived my life to believe in Christ, to become like Him and where ever You gave me the Grace, Mercy and Unmeritted Favor to experience Christ in me, that was my reward and I am here now with you God to say THANKYOU face to face! I pray that my account is Thank you, Thank you, THANK YOU GOD AND FOREVER THANKS TO YOU. That Joe is my personal hope....for which I pray for the strength to be accounted worthy. Only God can make me faithful.
This is how I see it and this is what I hope for, for myself and all my brothers and sisters. This is my prayer for us all....and I know God is faithfull to perform it :D
All the scriptures you so kindly were CAUSED to post....confirm and I believe do not contradict.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Andy_MI:
Hi Arcturus,
Thank you for that very edifying post!
I was reading in 2 Peter and seemed to go right along with what you are saying.
2Pe 1:3-11 ESV
(3) His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,
(4) by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.
(5) For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,
(6) and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,
(7) and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.
(8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(9) For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins.
(10) Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.
(11) For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Thanks again for that post.
Peace,
Andy
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on November 13, 2006, 04:45:12 PM ---I do not desire to say when I get there that I lived my life to get the reward. I prefer to say I lived my life to believe in Christ, to become like Him and where ever You gave me the Grace, Mercy and Unmeritted Favor to experience Christ in me, that was my reward and I am here now with you God to say THANKYOU face to face! I pray that my account is Thank you, Thank you, THANK YOU GOD AND FOREVER THANKS TO YOU. That Joe is my personal hope....for which I pray for the strength to be accounted worthy. Only God can make me faithful.
--- End quote ---
Arcturus,
To become Christlike is the reward.
I must admit I am not really sure what you are saying as not once have I suggested that anyone knows for sure if they are of the elect, but only that we should live in the hope that we are.
Here is a portion from the Lake of Fire PartXII (God Judges the World in a Pond) [/color]
GOD IS CALLING YOU
TO BE A PART OF HIS MARVELOUS PLAN
Here is God’s plan:
"And God said, Let us make man in OUR IMAGE…" (Gen. 1:26).
"Ye [‘ye’ means ‘all of you’] therefore shall BECOME [it’s a process] perfect even has your Father which is in heaven is perfect" (Matt. 5:48).
"But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to BECOME [it’s a process] the SONS OF GOD…" (John 1:12).
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD" (Rom. s8:14).
"The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the CHILDREN OF GOD: And if children, then heirs, HEIRS OF GOD and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also GLORIFIED TOGETHER. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature [and the whole creation] waits for the manifestation of THE SONS OF GOD" (Rom. 8:1618).
"And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For ye ARE the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell IN them, and walk IN them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them [‘my people’ Rev. 18:4] and be ye separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be MY SONS AND DAUGHTERS, says the Lord Almighty" (II Cor. 6:16-18).
"But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION OF SONS. And because ye ARE SONS, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts crying Abba, Father. Wherefore you are no more a servant, but a SON; and if a SON, then an HEIR OF GOD through Christ" (Gal. 4:5-7).
"That ye may be blameless and harmless, THE SONS OF GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world" (Phil. 2:15).
"For it became Him, for Whom are all things, and by Whom are all things, in bringing MANY SONS UNTO GLORY, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings" (Heb. 2:10).
"According as He has chosen us in Him before the disruption of the world, we to be holy and flawless in His sight, in love designating us beforehand for the place of A SON…" (Eph. 1:4, Concordant Literal New Testament).
"Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called THE SONS OF GOD: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew Him not" (I John 3:1).
Now then, did God plan to call these sons? Did He have it all worked out in advance? Is there any chance of failure in bringing these Sons to glory? Let’s read it:
For whom He [GOD] did FOREKNOW, He also did PREDESTINATE to be conformed to THE IMAGE [Remember Gen. 1:26—"Let us make man in OUR IMAGE…"] of HIS SON, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He did PREDESTINATE, them He also CALLED; and whom He called, them He also JUSTIFIED: and whom He justified, them He also GLORIFIED" (Rom. 8:29-30).
It should be noted that the verbs in this verse are in the Greek aorist tense and should more properly be translated, PREDESTINATES, CALLS, JUSTIFIES, AND GLORIFIES. This is not a past and completed act only, but a continuous process into the future.
God is calling Sons and Daughters into Glory! All that He "foreknew" He will bring to fruition. But for what purpose? To roll ‘round heaven all day? To play harps and sing gospel music for all eternity? To glut ourselves on dainty foods like some fat monarch? What is God’s first order of the day when all these SONS of God are manifested? Just what will they do? Or will they do nothing? We read part of the answer in one of the Scriptures quoted above. Let’s read a little more. There is a GRAND CHALLENGE AND MARVELOUS WORK waiting to be accomplished by the manifested SONS OF GOD:
THE WORLD IS GROANING FOR IT KNOWS NOT WHAT
"For the earnest expectation of the creation waits FOR THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD" (Rom. 8:19).
Notice this verse in a few other translations:
"For the EAGER outlook of creation ARDENTLY awaits the revealing of the Sons of God" (The Emphasized New Testament).
"For the LONGING of the creation LOOKS EAGERLY for the time when [the glory of] the sons of God shall be revealed" (The Epistles of Paul by Conybeare).
"All creation is YEARNING, LONGING to see the manifestation of the sons of God" (The New Testament in Modern Speech).
Or the creation waits with EAGER LONGING for the revealing of the sons of God" (The Revised Standard Version).
"THE WHOLE WORLD IS ON TIPTOE to see the wonderful sight of the sons of God coming into their own" (Phillips’ Translation).
To be sure, it is GOD Who is telling us that the whole creation is groaning in earnest expectation. It is groaning for it knows not what, but GOD KNOWS! In other words, God is telling US, who are growing in spiritual truths, what it is that the whole world and indeed the whole creation is in desperate need of—the saving power of the Sons of God. We ARE the BODY OF CHRIST! What Christ does, he DOES THROUGH US!
WHY? Why are they waiting for the manifestation of the Sons of God? Of what value will these Sons be to them? We can see why the Sons themselves would want to be manifested as such with God their Father and Elder Brother Jesus Christ, but why would all the wicked humanity of the entire "CREATION" be "waiting in EARNEST expectation?" What in the world is taking place here?
The church teaches that after all the Sons and Daughters of God are in their glory, the rest of the world will be tortured eternally by real fire in a terrorist hellhole of hopeless doom (never mind the fact that God says "there will be NO MORE DOOM") (Rev. 22:3, Concordant Literal New Testament).
Seriously, when all the Sons and Daughters of God are manifested IN THEIR GLORY, why would the ENTIRE CREATION be awaiting this event with almost uncontrollable bated breath, excitement, and anticipation? WHY? What is it that the churches have never told you? What is God going to do with all these glorified Sons and Daughters?
You have heard enough lies, now let’s read God’s Truth. Here is one of the most profound and all-encompassing Scriptures in the entirety of the Bible:
"For the earnest expectation of the creature [creation] waits for THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD. For the creature [creation] was MADE subject to VANITY [‘…surely, EVERY MAN IS VANITY’-- Psalm 39:11], NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of Him [GOD] Who has subjected the same in HOPE. Because the creature [creation] itself also shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption [corruption includes DEATH] into THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD. For we know that THE WHOLE CREATION GROANS AND TRAVAILS IN PAIN together until now" (Rom. 8:19-22).
WOW! Let me point out a few marvelous things in this verse. Notice the chronological order of things in this Scripture and see how it contradicts the terrible teaching of orthodox doctrine:
First the Sons of God are manifested or shown to be what they really are—SPIRITUAL SONS OF GOD (and DAUGHTERS—II Cor. 6:18)! No longer flesh and blood. No longer subject to the pulls of a carnal mind, but True Sons in the very IMAGE OF GOD and His Son, Jesus Christ.
But what happens next? What happens to all the rest of humanity who are not sons and daughters and are not saved? What will happen to them? Just why, pray tell, are they eagerly awaiting the manifestation of these Sons and Daughters? Of what value is the salvation and manifestation of the few chosen saints to those left behind who are not saved?
The Church teaches the world that the rest of humanity will be tortured for all eternity in the lake of fire. Is that true? Is that the purpose of the lake of fire is?
Next we read what the condition of the rest of humanity is, how they got that way, and what is the solution to the problem.
"For the creature [creation] was made subject to VANITY, not willingly, but by reason of Him who has subjected the same in hope" (Rom. 8:20).
God MADE man subject to vanity. God did not ask man’s permission to do this. God did it for His own wise purpose. But God is not a fiend that takes pleasure in the failures of weak humanity. God did not make man in a condition of vanity so that most of humanity would fail of the ideal, and God would then torture most of his creation eternally, when it was He Who created them weak and subjected them to every form of vanity in the first place. God created the whole creation subject to vanity. It is, therefore, God’s responsibility to get man out of this mess.
God supernaturally made a way for the "manifested Sons of God" to conquer the flesh and the carnal mind and be formed into the very image of God with the very mind of Christ! They will be no longer subject to vanity when they are manifested. They will be no longer subject to "the BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION." They will be FREE!
And it is they who will then FREE the rest of humanity from their bondage! What was the purpose for this subjection to vanity? So that they will eternally fail and God would eternally torture them for their failure? No! Let’s read it:
God has, "subjected the same IN HOPE" (Verse 20). Wait a minute, am I saying that all of humanity, who fail to be in the first resurrection and become the manifest Sons and Daughters of God, will nonetheless still have "hope?" Is there really hope for all the lost and unsaved? How can this be? Aren’t they going to be subjected to the "lake of fire?" Yes, but there is "hope" in the lake of fire. In fact, the lake of fire is their ONLY HOPE! They will not be eternally tortured just because they did not attain to the first resurrection, but will rather be "DELIVERED!" Let’s read it:
HOPE AND BLESSED ASSURANCE IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT
"And as it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this THE JUDGMENT" (Heb. 9:27).
So all creation spoken of in Rom. 8 will ultimately die. And "after" death comes "judgment." Who is in charge of this judgment and when will it take place?
"Because He [God] has appointed A DAY, in which He will judge the world [how?] IN RIGHTEOUSNESS [eternal torture is NOT righteousness] by THAT MAN Whom He has ordained [‘For the Father judges no man, but has committed ALL judgment unto the Son,’ John 5:22]; whereof He has given ASSURANCE unto ALL MEN [Gee, could this ‘assurance to ALL men … in the WORLD" be the same as the ‘hope for all creatures in ALL CREATION’ that we just read about in Rom. 8:20? And just how can there be hope and assurance for all these lost, unrepentant, unbelievers of the world? Read on…], in that He has raised Him [Jesus] from the dead" (Acts 17:31).
Notice the reason given that THE WHOLE WORLD, or the WHOLE INHABITED EARTH as some translations have it, is given "assurance." It is because Jesus Christ ROSE FROM THE DEAD! Paul plainly tells us that if Christ has not been raised from the dead, then even WE are still in our sins:
"And if Christ be NOT raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep [died] in Christ ARE PERISHED" (I Cor. 15:17-18).
And so it is because of Christ’s resurrection that we have HOPE and ASSURANCE for a future life with GOD! And now you also have Scriptural proof that the ENTIRE CREATION which was SUBJECTED TO VANITY and CORRUPTION, NOT WILLINGLY, has "HOPE" in the same risen Christ. And the whole inhabited earth, in that day of judgment, ALSO has full ASSURANCE because Jesus Christ was raised from the dead! Do you even begin to comprehend what you are now reading in God’s Word? God’s day of judgment is a time of "hope" and "assurance."
We read that all judgment has been given unto the Son, Jesus Christ. But Jesus is not the only Judge in that day. Here is where the manifested Sons and Daughters of God come into their most important role in the salvation of all mankind, all creation, and the entirety of the creation in both the heavens and the earth:
THE SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD
The called and chosen were born to be Judges:
"Or are you not aware that the saints [the manifested Sons and Daughters of God] shall JUDGE THE WORLD? And if the world shall be judged by YOU, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (I Cor. 6:2).
"And I saw thrones and they sat upon them, and JUDGMENT was given unto them [the saints, the manifested Sons of God]…" (Rev. 20:4).
Every man will be judged and the Saints will do the judging:
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it: and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were JUDGED EVERY MAN according to their works" (Rev. 20:13).
JUDGES, LORDS, PRIESTS AND KINGS
The called and chosen were born to be Judges, Lords, Priests and Kings:
"If we suffer, we shall also REIGN with Him…" (II Tim. 2:12).
"And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall REIGN on the earth" (Rev. 5:10).
We are the church of the Living God, and what is the church in relation to Christ?
"And has put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the church, Which IS HIS BODY, the fullness of Him that fills all in all" (Eph. 1:22-23).
"For we are members of HIS BODY, OF his flesh, AND OF his bones… This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and THE CHURCH [the heavenly, not the carnal church]" (Eph. 5:30 & 32).
Whatever Christ does, WE DO ALSO, because we ARE HIS BODY! Yes, WE, the manifest Sons and Daughters of God, will JUDGE THE WORLD!
But are the saints ready, equipped, and experienced to actually judge the world by the mere fact that they accept Jesus as the Priest, Lord, King, and Judge of the world? We are part of this world until God takes us out of it. We too have need of a Priest, a Lord, a King, and a Judge.
All too many Christians accept Jesus as their Priest, Lord, King, and Judge in ceremony only. In fact, I doubt that many accept Jesus as their "JUDGE" even in a ceremonial way, let alone by actual experience OF that judgment in their daily lives.
We must first be judged ourselves if we are to became the judges of the great sea of humanity.
The entire article can be read here;
http://bible-truths.com/lake12.html
Is it wrong to want to be, hope to be, aspire to be a part of this?
It is all about becoming, being transformed into the Body of Christ, to be Christlike, to be with Him during this wondrous work of bringing ALL to the Father.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Andy_MI:
Hi Joe,
Forgive me for jumping in here. I must say amen to what you said here:
--- Quote ---Is it wrong to want to be, hope to be, aspire to be a part of this?
It is all about becoming, being transformed into the Body of Christ, to be Christlike, to be with Him during this wondrous work of bringing ALL to the Father.
--- End quote ---
I believe that is what God inspired Peter to write this:
2Pe 1:10 ESV
(10) Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.
Peace,
Andy
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