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M_Oliver:
--- Quote from: sansmile on November 22, 2006, 02:01:35 PM ---Also, i see them, when they are behind the tree, that this is the churches hiding behind the cross, when they know not Him. Gnawing away like mice, on their fleshly desires ?
Sansmile
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Thought provoking Sansmile ;D.
hillsbororiver:
Do these verses in Isaiah 65 give us more keys to understanding?
Isa 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Isa 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Isa 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
The mouse(5909) in Isa 66:17 is defined in Strong's as a "nibbling mouse" as well as "attacking."
H5909
עכבּר
‛akbâr
ak-bawr'
Probably from the same as H5908 in the secondary sense of attacking; a mouse (as nibbling): - mouse.
What is being fed and consumed in the churches even by the lukewarm nibblers is an abomination to the Lord?
That is what I am seeing.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
PS I am looking forward to Ray's answer.
hillsbororiver:
Yes Sansmile,
The tree reference is right on!
Acts 5:30 (Amplified Bible)
30The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, Whom you killed by hanging Him on a tree (cross).
ned:
Isa 66:17 (KJV) They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. Note, "tree" is not in the original transcripts.
(CLV) The self-sanctified and the self-cleansed to the gardens follow one by one in the portals, eating the flesh of swine, and the roamer and the mouse. They shall be swept up together,averring is Yahweh."
Those who claim to know God, but walk in their own ways and don't search for the truth, (just like those in the OT times who offered sacrifices to the Lord, but their heart was far from him), this self-work is blasphemous to our Lord. These people believe that their works are actually righteous. These are people that provoke God to anger continuously. These are self-sanctified and self-cleansed people. In the midst of the garden, (field/world/or church) these people serve themselves, through the gateway they will follow, one after another, learning what is unclean, and idolatrous, all being entangled in this network of filth. These people shall be all-together consumed by our Father, by His fire, and the slain shall be many.
I think I've summarized what a lot of you have already said.
This is an amazing passage and sure reveals a lot!
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my references;
1. mouse H5909, from H5908:
עכּבישׁ ‛akkâbîysh ak-kaw-beesh'
Probably from an unused root in the literal sense of entangling; a spider (as weaving a network): - spider.
2. Isa 66:16 The LORD's fiery sword will bring justice everywhere on this earth and execute many people
3. Isa 65:2-5 All day long I have reached out to stubborn and sinful people going their own way. They keep making me angry by sneering at me, while offering sacrifices to idols in gardens and burning incense to them on bricks. They spend their nights hiding in burial caves; they eat the meat of pigs, cooked in sauces made of stuff unfit to eat. And then they say to others, "Don't come near us! We're dedicated to God." Such people are like smoke, irritating my nose all day.
4. Mat 7:13 Go in through the narrow gate. The gate to destruction is wide, and the road that leads there is easy to follow. A lot of people go through that gate.
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Love,
Marie
hillsbororiver:
Very good post Marie,
It is interesting how the different translations have a variety of definitions and interpretations. I checked out many on "Biblegate" but I failed to consult Rotherham's.
This is how it is written there;
Isa 66:17 [[They who hallow themselves and purify themselves for the gardens. Behind a certain thing(b) in the midst, Who eat the flesh of swine and the abomination, and the mouse]]
<Together shall be cut off>
Declareth Yahweh
Footnote (b)
"one" 'After one in the midst' . . the mystagogue or chief celebrant in the mystic performance
Mystery Babylon?
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