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eggi:
It comes to mind something that Ray said, I'll paraphrase:
"The whole Bible is ONE GIANT PARABLE. It all speaks about the same subject: Many are called, but few are chosen." (Paraphrased)

I think what Arcturus brought into attention is true and very important here. The garden symbolizes the spiritual state of Mystery Babylon. What happened (and still happens) in the garden?:

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (Gen 2:16-17 KJV)

And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Gen 3:2-3 KJV)

The tree of knowledge is in the midst of the garden. Adam and Eve ate of it.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. (Gen 3:4-7 KJV)

Now in the end they knew that they were naked, but perhaps most important, they were ashamed. Because of this they began making for themselves filthy garments. Before they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they were not even ashamed:

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. (Gen 2:25 KJV)

When you are in the garden, you don't truly know that you are naked and miserable, you think you will take care of it all yourself:

Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: (Rev 3:17 KJV)

The next verse speaks about gold:

I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Rev 3:18 KJV)

We all must "go to the market" (buy) to get the gold tried in the fire, as opposed to worshiping our own golden mice:

They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isa 66:17 KJV)

When you trust that knowledge of good and evil (your own knowledge and works) is enough to take care of things, you are purifying yourself in the gardens BEHIND the one tree in the midst, and that is abomination, mouse worshiping.

This is how I see it, but I look forward to stand corrected if I'm wrong!

God bless you and keep you,
Eirik

Andy_MI:
I'm not sure if this verse is pertinent or not.

I feel dumber than a box of hammers with this topic.  :D

About the garden:

Luk 13:18-19 ASV
(18  He said therefore, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I liken it?
(19)  It is like unto a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his own garden; and it grew, and became a tree; and the birds of the heaven lodged in the branches thereof.

About the one standing in the midst:

Mar 13:14 KJVR
(14) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, let (him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:

Peace,

Andy

M_Oliver:

--- Quote from: Marie on November 23, 2006, 10:04:23 PM ---Hi M Oliver,
That's just it, they THINK they are sanctified by "eating mice", they believe THEY HAVE accepted Jesus, they believe by joining their church they are made right, but they do not see they are entangling themselves in a network of filth. 
What do you see? 

Love,
Marie


--- End quote ---

I took Ray up on his email offer and sent him an answer saying basically the same thing that everyone else is saying.  We all get that part of it ie. Christendom-false doctrines-heading for the second resurrection but this is how Ray responded back...

Mark:
But WHY DO THEY EAT MICE?
Ray


Maybe I am reading his challenge wrong but he sure seems to be trying to get us to zero in on "WHY" "MICE".  In the original email that was posted he did ask the lady if there was a spiritual match to this somewhere.  I've read Ray long enough to know that he is saying that there is but he wants us to find it.  That is the part that has me stumped.  I've done what everyone else has I'm sure...e-sword-strong's-interlinear etc. but I can't nail it.

"mice" or "mouse" as you all have seen is not used very much at all so I'm wondering if I am blind when I read those verses or is there another Scripture somewhere that he is referring to that does not use the word??

sj:
Hi.

"Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens,…”

Isaiah 1:29
Surely you will be ashamed of the oaks which you have desired,
And you will be embarrassed at the gardens which you have chosen.

Isaiah 65:3
A people who continually provoke Me to My face,
Offering sacrifices in gardens and burning incense on bricks;

This reminded me of the people of Israel desiring Saul, a “human king” over a Theocracy.

I think this would apply to us today as anytime an individual chooses “man-made” religions practice or the “traditions of men” over truly desiring the wisdom of God and wanting to be part of His family.

“Following one in the center,…”

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

Also see, Isaiah 14:14 & Ezekiel 28:2

Revelations 2:4
'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

I’m not around “e-sword” at the moment, but I’ve been thinking this morning about in the gospels where Christ says that the religious leaders’ true desire is to wear long robes and have special greetings in the marketplace…

Man desires to be in the center because He loves himself…

God desires for us to place Him in the center, by loving others (especially those in need) because He loves US!

James 1:27
Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.


“Who eat swine's flesh, detestable things and mice,…”

Those who eat…

Swine’s flesh = things that are unclean / forbidden

Leviticus 11:7
and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you.

Detestable things = things that do not honor God

Such as…

Isaiah 66:3

But whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a man, and whoever offers a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck; whoever makes a grain offering is like one who presents pig's blood, and whoever burns memorial incense, like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, and their souls delight in their abominations;

Mice = those who are helpless… ?

Led astray by the false teachings of “man-made religion”

Matt 15

Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said,

"Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread."

And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?

"For God said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,' and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.'

"But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God," he is not to honor his father or his mother.' And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.

"You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'"


“Will come to an end altogether," declares the LORD.”

So that God may become “ALL in ALL,” Amen.

Andy_MI:
Here's a letter I sent to Ray and his reply.

Hi brother Smith,

In regards to "why they eat mice."

I'm thinking that the key is in this verse maybe?

Isa 66:3 KJVR
(3) He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their so ul delighteth in their abominations.

They eat mice because their soul delights in their own ways and abominations.

The Philistines worshipped golden mice.

1Sa 6:4 KJVR
(4) Then said they, What shall be the trespass offering which we shall return to him? They answered, Five golden emerods, and five golden mice, according to the number of the lords of the Philistines: for one plague was on you all, and on your lords.

Jesus said that His flesh and blood needed to be eaten.

Joh 6:53 KJVR
(53) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Since the people in Isa 66:17 were eating mice rather than eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the Son of man, then they were practicing their own man made doctrins and religion. The babylon harlot system.

Please let me know if I'm on the right track.

Blessings to you,

Andy

Dear Andy;:

Very good. You are closer than anyone thus far. In fact you are the only one who mentioned eating the body of Christ. Obviously the eating of mice is a symbol of something spiritual, not literally eating mice. Swine and mice are two categories of "unclean meats" under the law of Moses. So if we are not to each unclean meats such as swine and mice (not mice specifically, but mice is an example of a vast categor of of little fury creations not to be eaten), are we to eat clean food--beef, turkey, etc? No, if the "mice" is symbolic of what not to each, then what we ARE to eat must also be symbolic. And contrary to the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, Jesus meant eating His body as a symbol for something spiritual as well.
But there is more: we have the garden? and its connection with "the worm that dies not and unquenched fire?" Also, WHEN does this occur? Before the resurrection to judgment? After the resurrection to Judgment? Both before AND after? Etc. There needs to bee a connection between Judgment in Matt. 5:22, and Gehenna fire, and this garden which represents something that only one other commented on.
Does the lake of fire begin when Christ begins His reign on this earth? Are the "Gehenna of fire," and the "lake of fire" the same? Are they in use at the same time? Will then, those who say "Raca" to their brothers, in Christ's Kingdom, be cast into the lake of fire, BEORE the resurrection of the dead unbelievers to the Great White Throne of Judgment? Etc., etc., etc. I will cover it in Part D. There is a lot of things involved in these few verses.
God be with you,
Ray

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