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Kat:
Hi Arcturus and eggi,
I'm still looking at this too.
What Ray said,
--- Quote ---verse 17 appears not to against all humanity, as back a few verses we have God's spiritual nation being born in one day, then back three verses in verse 14 we read of those whose "heart shall rejoice" because "the hand of the Lord shall be known toward His SERVANTS, and His indignation toward His ENEMIES."
--- End quote ---
'God's spiritual nation being born in one day,' He will raise up the Saints to be with Him, His return and the Saints raised will be the same day.
1Co 15:52 It will happen suddenly, quicker than the blink of an eye. At the sound of the last trumpet the dead will be raised. We will all be changed, so that we will never die again. (CEV)
The Lord's return will also setup His kingdom on earth.
Rev 5:10 And You made us kings and priests to our God, and we will reign over the earth.
But, before He will rule He will removed Babylon.
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from Heaven, having great authority. And the earth was lighted up from his glory.
v.2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great has fallen, has fallen!
v.21(ESV) Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and will be found no more;
I think 'gardens' have to do with the churches, Babylon.
Ray said,
--- Quote ---Isaiah talked for SIXTY-SIX CHAPTERS, and climaxes with this stern warning concerning those who: "...sanctify themselves, and purify themselves, IN THE GARDENS BEHIND ONE TREE IN THE MIDST, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, AND THE MOUSE, shall be consumed together says the Lord."
What religion or large group of people is so prominent that they have the climax of the Book of Isaiah attributed to them, who "...in the GARDENS BEHIND ONE TREE, eating...THE MOUSE...' And where is the Second and Third Witness to this Scripture to prove its meaning?
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Isa 1:29 For they shall be ashamed of the trees which you lusted after; and you shall be ashamed of the gardens that you have chosen. (LITV)
Ray said,
--- Quote ---. Obviously the eating of mice is a symbol of something spiritual, not literally eating mice. Swine and mice are two categories of "unclean meats" under the law of Moses. So if we are not to eat unclean meats such as swine and mice (not mice specifically, but mice is an example of a vast category of little fury creations not to be eaten), are we to eat clean food--beef, turkey, etc? No, if the "mice" is symbolic of what not to eat, then what we ARE to eat must also be symbolic. And contrary to the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, Jesus meant eating His body as a symbol for something spiritual as well.
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John 6:55 For My flesh is truly food, and My blood is truly drink.
v.56 The one partaking of My flesh and drinking of My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
In the same way that we abide in Christ by eating or consuming His body and blood,
wouldn't the people eating or consuming unclean things be the abomination ???
Isa 66:17 "Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination [From H8262; filth, that is, (figuratively and specifically) an idolatrous object: - abominable (-tion).] and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the LORD. (ESV)
Isa 66:17 The LORD says, "The end is near for those who purify themselves for pagan worship, who go in procession to sacred gardens, and who eat pork and mice and other disgusting foods. (GNB)
This is what I've been thinking about all this.
Keep up the input, it helps.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kat
To add to your insights....
1 Cor 10 : 21 You cannot drink the Lord's cup and the demons' cup. You cannot partake of the Lord's table and the demons' table.
I see the above scripture not as a request but as an Absolute.ie. YOU CAN NOT and not Relative...Please don't. As in the Scripture below where Jesus says NO ONE CAN(Absolute) not Relative Please do not :D We have to believe, trust in and rely on this ;D
Much in line with the scripture where Jesus says Matt 6 : 24 No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stand by and be devoted to the one and despise and be against the other. You cannot serve God and mammon, deceitful riches, money, possessions, or WHATEVER is trusted in)...like perhaps idols, mice, pigs, abominable practices?
In John 6: 47 I assure you most solemnly I tell you, he who believes in Me, who adheres to, trusts in, relies on, and has faith in Me, has, now possesses... life. 48 I am the Bread of Life, that gives life - the Living Bread. 53 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, you cannot have any life in you unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, unless you appropriate His life and the saving merit of His blood.
In verse 29... I believe this shows how we are to abide in Christ...this is just what I believe. Here is what Jesus said...This is the work, service that God asks of you; that you believe in the One Whom He has sent, that you cleave to, trust, rely on, and have faith in His Messenger.
So, with this in mind, to know or to self evaluate how much we dwell in Christ, should we ask ourselves whether we believe in His faithfullness, do we cleave to Him and trust on Him or on other things like our worship, our works, our posessions and ourselves etc? I believe the work of His Spirit in us draws us away from this error into correction through our trials and tribulations!
....This is what I am seeing. ....I feel like there is a Eurika moment just around the corner!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Beloved:
These are interesting verses to contemplate .
(Isa 66:15 KJVR)
For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
(Isa 66:16 KJVR)
For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
(Isa 66:17 KJVR)
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
(Isa 66:18 KJVR)
For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
Again like all of the parables of the Bible the Lord will deal with the "many" who were slain when they first believed ,and then were later healed. Unlike the true believers who remain dead and let Christ live in them.
The terms "self sanctified and self cleaned" is reminsient to Adam and Eve's attempt to cover themselves with leaves when they were in the garden. True believers are not not self sanctified and get their sanctificastion through Christ and the shedding of his blood.
This verse shows that these people followed "one in the midst". There were two trees in the garden, Adam and Eve ate of the tree of Good and Evil . True believers only follow Christ (the tree of Life).
This verse doesnt mention it but the snake (satan) was there in the garden also. The whole event in garden centered on the gormandic command "thou shall not eat" Satan's curse was to eat dust. Adam was made from dust and to dust he will return. Satan sits and waits and prowls in search of whom he can devour.
These self righteous folkes are like satan the snake and feed on (things unclean ) swine , abominations and mice ( they eat things offered to idols), like the philistine golden mice. When the ark of the covenant was stolen they finally sent it back with a box of golden tumors/hemorrhoid and golden mice as trespass offerings to pay homage to God and stop the judgement (plague and vermin) against them for thier act.
Besides the fact that mice are typical snake food in the physical, I also think it was interesting that the mouse according to the Strong concordance on E sword suggested a second sence of attacking or nibbling. To me this is also symbolic of the "many" in Babylon who can only nibble on the word and because of their very tiny stomachs. When they do "eat" they can own shred and attack it with tiny arguments (teeth).
They are unlike believers who will eat the flesh of Christ, they feed on the meat of the Word. When they confront evil they can then like Christ they can say "It is written".
The last verse of this 66th chapter in ISA ties it all up and again demonstrates God's grand plan.... that all men including this particular group ......will eventually be brought to God through the lake of fire and will "learn righteousness".
Beloved
I am on a M&M diet: no Milk or Mieces
Redbird:
Alex,
I thought I'd bring this thread to the forefront, in answer to your question in another thread. Ray's Hell Part D covers this also. Can't wait for the next installment.
Lisa
gmik:
Hey, Lisa, glad you brought that back on. It is a good one.
I can't wait either for the next installment!
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