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Satan - Saved or Reconciled - Is There a Difference?
Andy_MI:
--- Quote from: parsonssc on December 01, 2006, 05:00:35 PM ---What is salvation?, what are we saved from?
Satan does not need saving, but as with all creation he needs to be reconciled to God.
Craig
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Hi Craig,
I think Adam and all man kind are saved from sin and death probably among other things.
As far as Satan not needing salvation I would refer you to a letter to Ray and his reply:
Ray,
If Satan is not a falling angel were did his angels come from because this is confusing me. If God created Satan how he is (not a fallen angel) but a perfect adversary did he create a whole bunch of little messengers (angels) for him? Because we know angels can not sin cause if they could that would be contradicting wouldn't it?
[Ray Replies]
Jeremiah,
It nowhere says in the Scriptures that it is not possible for an angel to sin regardless of his rank. I believe that there is only ONE archangel. Arch means the number one and the HIGHEST. There can be only ONE of such rank. As Michael is an "archangel" and "Michael" means LIKE GOD, and as Jesus was called on occasion in the Old Testament the "Angel of the Lord," it follows that Michael the Archangel is referring to Christ.
Angels can and do sin. II Peter 2:4,
"For if God spares not SINNING MESSENGERS [angels], but thrusting them into the gloomy caverns of Tartarus, gives them up to be kept for chastening judging..."
Angels need salvation just as mankind does.
Ray
Notice the last line of Ray's response.
Which brings me back to the question:
Is reconcilation and salvation the same thing?
Hi Sandie,
I wonder why it dosen't say that all the demons along with Satan are cast into the lake of fire?
And also I wonder if there will be anything left of Satan after he's thrown into the fire?
Is there anything good in Satan that will indure the fire?
Just rambling,
Andy
Craig:
--- Quote from: Andy_MI on December 01, 2006, 05:47:00 PM ---
Is reconcilation and salvation the same thing?
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In my opinion.........No.
Craig
sansmile:
Andy,
God says:
(Isa 40:26) Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
Evil spirits are sent by God:
(Jdg 9:23) Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:
Act 19:15) And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Andy God is spiritual fire, a cleansing fire, if there was nothing to save , why cast satan in?
Just rambling, lol GB
Sansmile (sandie)
Kat:
Hi Andy,
From my Webster's Intermediate dictionary.
reconcile: to cause to give in or to accept -- make content.
salvation: the saving of a person from sin -- something that saves -- the saving from danger or evil.
Satan was created as a part of this world, he is doing what he was created to do 'sin' and I believe will be saved from his sins also.
1John 3:8 He who practices sin is of the Devil, for the Devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the Devil.
John 1:29 The next day John sees Jesus coming to him and says, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Satan is a part of this world.
--- Quote ---And also I wonder if there will be anything left of Satan after he's thrown into the fire?
Is there anything good in Satan that will indure the fire?
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Mat 19:17 And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? There is none good but one, that is, God...
http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html ---------------------------------------------------------
It is an interesting fact the messengers deliver messages on many occasions in the Scriptures, but they DO NOT TEACH! That is because it is we that shall teach them and judge them: "Know ye not that WE shall JUDGE ANGELS?" (I Cor. 6:3).
There are now two groups of spiritual messengers. One group is obedient to God and the other is not. One group carries out acts of good while the other carries out acts of deceit and wickedness. That is why we find in I Kings 22:19 that the host (a huge number, a heavenly army of innumerable beings; ‘cherubim’ in Hebrew means, ‘AS-MANY’) of heaven is divided on God’s right side (the good) and His left side (the wicked). But ultimately they will all be ONE.
"That in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in ONE all things in Christ, both which are in HEAVEN [the heavenly host which is now divided], an which are on earth; even in Him" (Eph. 1:10).
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The lake of fire will be a purging and cleansing of all cast in, but it will also be a teaching experience.
Those babies that died at birth, have no knowledge at all.
What will the lake of fire do for them if not teach them of Christ and bring them to salvation.
After the purging is completed, Satan will be brought to salvation also.
Even tho I think he will be the first in and the last out.
Do you think God would have created a being He could not save?
Col 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the First-born of all creation.
v.16 For all things were created in Him, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, all things were created through Him and for Him.
Well there's what I think.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
stego:
Hi all,
I think the thing we have to keep in mind here is that God is responsible for the well-being of ALL of his creation. In order for God to be 100% good, which we know he is, he MUST make sure that ALL his creation (including Satan) does not suffer forever in their sin, otherwise God has failed to be 100% good. His creation (including Satan) is his accomplishment (currently a work in progress) and he will not fail to make us all (including Satan) happy/joyful/content, as he greatly desires to do, as this is his glory!
Sean
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