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Satan - Saved or Reconciled - Is There a Difference?
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Andy
Sandy wrote : (Rev 20:15) And if anyone was not found written in the scroll of life, he was cast into the lake of fire."
For me that answers your observation Andy :
I wonder why it dosen't say that all the demons along with Satan are cast into the lake of fire?
Anyone would include demons. They are the anyones not found written in the scroll of life to be cast into the lake of fire.
I agree with Craig. Reconciliation is not the same as salvation.
Heb 9 : 28 …Christ will appear a second time (to the first resurrection) not to carry any burden of sin nor to deal with sin (as in the second resurrection White Throne Judgment) but to bring to full salvation those who are eagerly, constantly, and patiently waiting for and expecting Him.
John 5 : 28 Do not be surprised and wonder at this, for the time is coming when all those who are in the tombs shall hear His voice. 29 And THEY shall come out (Who are they?)….THEY who have practiced doing good will come out to the resurrection of new life, and those (who are those?)…THOSE who have done evil will be raised (raised….not saved….raised for )…for judgment, raised to meet their sentence.
After judgment, after sentencing….then they are reconciled just like a person who is sentenced in the worlds court systems for theft. They are sentenced to jail. They serve their time and after they are released back into society they are therefore reconciled back into society. Like wise so too will the White Throne be a judgment, sentence and reconciliation.
Kat your comment : After the purging is completed, Satan will be brought to salvation also.
Even tho I think he will be the first in and the last out. I liked that one! :D
Peace to you all
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kat
I am concerned that you seem to believe that babies will be in the White Throne Judgement second death. My concern is that to think this must surely be painful. How can such an awful thing happen to innocent babies?
John Hagee said something similar once where in he said anyone who has not recieved Christ will be popping up like popcorn on a hot stove and the babies that died will be there too and this is God's justice.! I am paraphrasing here. I think what he said was far worse and much more horrific.
I think having heard him say this, stuck with me as grossly mis-leading and so it stood out for me when you wrote:
Those babies that died at birth, have no knowledge at all.
What will the lake of fire do for them if not teach them of Christ and bring them to salvation.
I am NOT saying OR suggesting you have said what Hagee said. You have got much insight into the scriptures to make me think you go along with Hagee! Hagee was talking about Hell not the second death. However, Jesus does advise us to pray that we are among the worthy to stand before Him when He comes again.
Luke 21 : 36 but take heed to yourselves and be on your guard, lest your hearts be overburdened and depressed, weighed down with giddiness and headache and nausea of self - indulgence, drunkenness, and worldly worries and cares pertaining to the business of this life, and lest that day come upon you suddenly like a trap or a noose; 35. For it will come upon all who live upon the face of the entire earth. 36. Keep awake then and watch at al times, be discreet, attentive, and ready, praying that you may have the full strength and ability and be accounted worthy to escape all these things taken together that will take place, and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man
Kat do you really believe that little babies will go into the White Throne Judgment. Surely not!
I recall Ray wrote somewhere that the awful deaths the little ones suffer will be recompensed and they will be raised to new life in Christ and receive the opportunity to live their lives to the full as compensation. Suffer not the little one’s to come unto me…..Jesus said. So this makes me believe that the murdered aborted babies who’s lives are so cruelly cut off, will be blessed and called into new life in Christ when He comes again.! This for me is a much happier picture of God's love and justice.
I just could not let this one slip by thinking you were believing that the second death is the penalty for being aborted!…..
It is a happier thought to think they will be blessed abundantly with new life in Christ when He comes again. This makes for me, the horror of their deaths more bearable and it is simply this that I wanted to share with you because I care about you so I'd prefer that you look forward for them, to what lies in store for these little ones who have been chopped up while still in the womb or who have starved to death or died because of AIDS.
Just think….there will be so many little one’s!……You just have to also look at abortion stats!...........Jesus loves children! :D
I trust you shall take this post as a welcome to share in the joy of what is waiting for them.............
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Chris R:
Hello all,
I believe this thread is interesting enough, Will Satan be reconciled? Yes he will, Will babies be judged...Of course! unlike what many may think, Judgment is a GOOD thing, and ALL being judged will understand the NEED for judgment.
Why did Christ "sting" the pharisees with this comment?
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law,JUDGMENT, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Doesnt sound like Christ felt judgment was a bad thing?
After all this is Gods plan, it is not ours to question his methods.
ALL WILL BE JUDGED! Some will be harshly judged, and some will not.
Chris R
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Chris R
As I understand this so far....some are being judged now and some will be raised to judgment at the White Throne.
Rev20 : 6 Blessed and holy is he that takes part in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but theyshall be ministers of God and Christ and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.
Does this mean for adults only? ???
Are you saying that babies will be raised to the White Throne Judgement? ???
If so then I have to re-think...again!....
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kat
I am pending edification on babies at White Throne and would appreciate any help
Arcturus :)
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