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Trinity ???
jER:
The point I was attempting to make (statements in the form of questions) was that of one God, the father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ. In other words, there is one spirit and one body.
As for I Corinthians 15:28 – if there was not only one God (the father), and one Lord (the Christ), but also a third person, than I would need an explanation on this verse because Jesus hands all back to the father, in a sense meaning – there are two of them (not three).
I must say – excellent analogy in reference to the dough (flour and water).
Also, the analogies given by Kat (dear Waylan) regarding the blue/yellow cellophane, that in effect, together, is green - was also excellent! And, I appreciated the other Scriptures as well. It reinforces that they (God and Christ) are of the same spirit.
It always helps to have different perspectives.
Love to you, both!
Robin:
Question
Since the Father and Jesus share the same spirit does that mean that Jesus did not have a human spirit like ours? Was he born with only the shared Father's spirit? I thought I read somewhere that he had his own spirit too, but I can't remember.
How does this scripture fit into all of this?
John 1
32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
jER:
M.G.
John1:32 –And, John bare record, saying: "I saw the Spirit descending…like a dove…upon him."
Perhaps these may help you answer, your question.
Acts 10:38 – How God anointed Jesus…with the Holy Spirit (of the Father)…with power…for God was with him.
John 10:38 – believe, that the Father is in me, and I in Him.
John 14:10 – believe you not, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words I
Speak to you, I speak not of myself: but of the Father that dwells in me…
17:11 – Holy Father…that they may be one, as we are.
17:21 – That they all may be one: as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they
Also may be one in US:
17:22 – And, the glory which you gave me, I have given them; that they may be one,
Even as we are one:
17:23 –I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
I believe that the comforter is the Spirit of Christ which dwells in US (the Holy Spirit of God, as they are one in Spirit).
So "shall we be."
This is only a synopsis – for much more could be said! As Jesus, also had a soul, however, not his will, but the Fathers, be done.
In the Spirit of Christ,
- Jer
YellowStone:
Hi MG.
You asked the following: Since the Father and Jesus share the same spirit does that mean that Jesus did not have a human spirit like ours? Was he born with only the shared Father's spirit? I thought I read somewhere that he had his own spirit too, but I can't remember.
This is a great question. There are many references to the "spirit" in the Scriptures. What exactly is it?
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Breath of Life - nesh·ä·mä' (Key) [5397]
1) breath, spirit
a) breath (of God)
b) breath (of man)
c) every breathing thing
d) spirit (of man)
This is simple enough, a body without life is nothing; the spirit of life which every "living" thing enjoys, returns to God upon death.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
However, here we speak of one being "filled" with the spirit of God. What is different with this spirit?
Exd 35:31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;
Nothing, it is the same spirit. However, the Spirit has granted and exceeding amount of knowledge to the said.
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Is this yet another spirit? No, :) but the difference is that the spirit will giveth truth, the truth concerning everlasting life, hereinbefore unknown.
Jhn 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
I might be totally wrong here, but the "Spirit" which descended was largely symbolic. Christ was given the full Spirit of his Father. Nothing was held back.
Ah, but do we not also have the Spirit of Truth? Yes, we do, but only an alotted amount according to the Father. We can know this because, it is only Christ who was given the whole measure of truth. (Spirit)
Jhn 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
After Christ had arisen, the disciples then received a real portion of the spirit. :)
Act 4:31 After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.
We have not been given "another" spirit than the world. We all share the same God given spirit of life; however, by the love and grace of God the Father, we have received the measure of the Spirit regarding the "Truth" that the world cannot receive. The spirit of the world is not from God, but is rather a mindest brought on by Satan and man's carnal desires. God is not part of this spirit. :)
Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Much love to you in Christ,
Your brother,
Darren
Kat:
Hi Darren,
Here is an email from Ray about the human spirit and the Holy Spirit :)
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4176.0.html ---------------
Hi Ray,
Is the human spirit the place where God dwells in us? “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit (capital S) is spirit (lower case s)?” John 3:6
Thanks,
Dwight
Dear Dwight:
ALL men (and animals) have a spirit. This spirit gives life to the body and produces soul (feelings, thinking, emotions, etc.). But God dwells in our hearts and minds by way of His HOLY Spirit, which is a different spirit.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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