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Deborah-Leigh:
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...to build on where Kat left off.........
1 John 3:2 Beloved, we are even here and now God's children; it is not yet disclosed, made clear what we shall be hereafter, but we know that when He comes and is manifested, we shall as God's children resemble and be like Him, for we shall see Him just as He really is.
"That which is born of the Spirit is spirit" also fits as quoted in Kats post. 8)
Peace to all
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
HIS words to your heart Lisa 8)
:) Peace with you
Arcturus :)
Robin:
--- Quote ---OT SERVANTS – In Judgment with the world are those who RECEIVE their reward and are raised to the exaltation and honour of God among men having been tried and found faithful, are raised to perfection as men. “You shall see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God” Perfected men under direction of unseen Spiritual members of God’s Kingdom establish a perfect Government among men. Heb 3 5,6 2nd Resurrection Saints of God who belong to God’s House. These inherit the earth.
--- End quote ---
Hi Arcturus,
Revelation 20 seems to say that the elect will be raised in the first resurrection with spiritual bodies and the rest of the dead do not come back to life until the 2nd resurrection at the end of the 1000 years. There will be those who are still alive at Christ's return who will still have bodies of flesh, but all the rest will be raised from the dead with spiritual bodies
Revelation 20:4
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:3-5 (in Context) Revelation 20 (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 20:5
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Then it seems to say that the judgment takes place at the 2nd resurrection of all others. I believed that all in the 2nd resurrection were also raised with spiritual bodies and no one was raised in bodies of flesh
Revelation 20:11
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Maybe I am misunderstanding.
Thanks,
MG
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello MG
I believe that Rev 20 : 5 “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished” is not found in the oldest and most reliable Greek MSS, the Sinaitic, Vatican nos 1209 and 1160 nor the Syriac MS.
This makes all the difference! According to the spurious version that is considered to have crept into the text by accident in the fifth century, because no MS of earlier date either Greek or Syriac contains this clause, it is considered likely that this statement was at first merely a marginal comment that later was copied into the body of the scriptures by a subsequent transcriber who failed to note the difference between the text and the comments.
Consequently, only AFTER the millennial age would it be true to say that the rest of the dead will not live again until AFTER the thousand years of restitution and blessing are accomplished.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Robin:
Thank you for your quick reply Arcturus.
I will have to give it more thought and ask God for understanding.
Thanks,
MG
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