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I'M LIVING WITH A WOMAN
Prosizz:
It just blows my mind that some people are encouraging bradigans to keep the status quo. I hope those who come here to read the forum don't think that "Ray's followers" condone sinful living. Thankfully, the moderators are speaking with one voice on this issue.
Bradigans, obey the law of the land and the law of God and wed your common-law spouse.
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Prosizz on January 29, 2007, 03:24:06 PM ---It just blows my mind that some people are encouraging bradigans to keep the status quo. I hope those who come here to read the forum don't think that "Ray's followers" condone sinful living. Thankfully, the moderators are speaking with one voice on this issue.
Bradigans, obey the law of the land and the law of God and wed your common-law spouse.
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I can't believe you would call that sinful living. :o
Maybe Babylon is right; we do need to have a physical circumsicion and a physical water baptism and a physical wedding ritual etc... etc.. etc... everything's physical, it's all physical. Perhaps even God's law is physical and it matters not whether you truly love your wife or not, as long as you got that physical marraige licence, you're good to go. And there is no 'law of the land' that says it's illegal for two people to live together without having a marriage licence. Maybe in the dark ages, and OT but not now, not in the U.S. nor Europe or any other civilized society. Perhaps in the middle east, but they're still physically stoning people. So I wouldn't want to follow that 'law of the land'
Deborah-Leigh:
There are many dynamics to this thread. The most important one is what does God say, not what we think or believe.
Jesus performed His first miracle at a wedding ceremony. We are not idiots in this forum to have to try to draw away from the moral ethical and spiritual conditions that God would have us adhere to.
Marriage entails commitment. Commitment entails accountability. Both these words, commitment and accountability are adult words for adult maturity of mind and spirit of which there is no guarantee and age does not account for either. Good character and a knowledge of God helps both understanding of the important vulnerabilities and issues both in male and female counterparts to the marriage union.
The world that does not recognize God or His Spirit, teaches independence not submission. The world teaches equal rights not Godly order.
We serve either God or mamon, one or the other. It is that simple. No judgment, no bias, no condemnation. God will take care of that part. We either follow or we haven't a clue. We either enjoy the wisdom of Godly Council or we rebell and do not enjoy the wisdom of Godly Council. Only God can change ungodliness to Godliness and only He can lead our weak hearts into wisdom of His ways and thoughts. Until then....we will be agreable to what the world teaches and we will find comfort in mass ignorance.
After all, it is a really tough deal to have to lead and provide as is Gods expectation of the head of the home, and it is tougher still to have to submit especially if the head wants to be the tail or the equal. ::)
As for me I thank Jesus that He has lead me past all the smoke screens and mirrors into a clear view of what Godly order is and I am blessed in my marriage that has Christ as the Head and my spouse as my Lord with me trying to be submissive which is a swear word in the world!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
YellowStone:
Boy, this thread has been entertaining to say the least :)
I pretty much knew how I was going to respond to this when I happened on to some words of Arcturus :)
Who wrote:
There are many dynamics to this thread. The most important one is what does God say, not what we think or believe.
Isn't this the truth!!!! But let us first look at what God has told Bradigan in the days past and what is he telling him now?
Does anyone here feel that by living with the woman Bradigan loves out of wedlock is wrong? Then by whoses standards? For was/is not Branigan and his loved one living according to God's own will for them. How can we say: "That's wrong" when God put it in their hearts to live this way. I am not trying to justify their living together, because there is nothing to justify.
However, Bradigan clearly asked for advice and like him, I thought he had come to the right place.
There can be no division of God's word. Either Spiritually or Physically. Why do you think Bradigan asked for advice? Simple, because God is drawing him closer. The bible does not equate love with marriage, possibly that was the furtherst thing from the mind of Paul and others when the penned these words. Because most marriages were prearranged, hence the term "given" in marriage. So what is marriage according to the Bible? It is the union of a man and a woman so that they become as one. They complement one another.
Of course they should marry, of course they should committ their lives to one another and seal this committment through marriage just as God is leading them to do.
This is not a numbers game, it is not about fornification, divorce, cheating or percentages. It is about doing what is right according to God and his Word. This is what Bradigan asked for my dear brothers and sisters (I think most od you agree)
Bradigan, take it from me......there is nothing as special waking each morning along side your wife. Marriage is wonderful.
Love to you and I hope you listen to your heart and hear God talking to you.
Darren
PKnowler:
I am really grieved and appalled that so many on this board are giving Bradigans ungodly advice! Don't you all read the Bible?
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 29, 2007, 03:13:43 PM ---
That does not work, because God does not care if you drive a car before getting your licence. He will not count it as sin against you.
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If you are breaking the law of the land to drive a car without a license then God does care! And it is a sin to drive without a license! For we are to obey the laws of the land as unto the Lord!
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 29, 2007, 03:13:43 PM --- So my point is what God considers sin and what He does not. Adam and Eve are proof that you don't need a physical ritual to be married to someone you love, unless of course you want to suggest that they fornicated 'cause they had no magistrate or pastor marry 'em and give 'em a licence.
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God Almighty declared them Man and wife! We know they were married because Eve is referred to as Adam's wife. Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 29, 2007, 03:13:43 PM ---When you sleep with someone you become one flesh, thus when you just have meaningless sex and the next day you sleep with someone else you fornicated because you're commiting adultery.
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Hmmmm....So if you wait until you are in love and then have sex you are married? And if you stay together for 10 years and then choose to walk away you commit adultery if you go and be with someone else? What if you are only together 5 years or two years or two weeks? Is it fornication, marriage, adultery or what? I'm confused! ???
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 29, 2007, 03:13:43 PM ---If you remain with that one person for the rest of your life, then she is your wife, until you leave her for someone else then you commit adultery and when the two part ways that's called a divorce. That's how I see it.
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So if you have intercourse with someone for the first time, then choose to part ways, you spend the rest of your life committing adultery? And you are then divorced? hmmm
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 29, 2007, 03:13:43 PM ---God knows the intention of the heart, God is the one who gives you your mate. And He knows when you are just having meaningless sex with someone and when you're making love and the two are commited to each other for the rest of their natural lives.
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Yes God knows your heart but do you?
Jer 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
--- Quote from: Sorin on January 29, 2007, 03:13:43 PM ---The reason I would get legally married is for the physical benefits of marriage, tax cuts, if one dies, life insurance covers the wife and kids etc... but not because it's a sin not to have a physical wedding ritual. That's preposterous.
Take care,
Sorin
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It is preposterous to make these things up as you go along when we have God's word to guide us!
~Paula :o
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