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PKnowler:
Hi Bradford,
When I was a teenager my mother use to tell me to save myself for marriage. I thought about it I wondered why it mattered. Then one day I was reading the Bible and I came across the word "fornication", I didn't know what it meant so I looked it up.
I found out it means having sexual relations outside of marriage. That is what I needed to know. It is God's standard!
I believe the Bible is God's inspired word and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
So it is my standard for living.
Here are some scriptures on fornication:
1Co 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
Ephesians 5:3
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
1Co 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Scriptures on marriage:
1Co 7:9
But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Heb 13:4
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
1 Corinthians 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
There are other scriptures on fornication and marriage, you can look them up if you like.
From scripture I read that Marriage is God's design. It is not about whether we agree with the pastor or magistrate we need to be obedient to God!
God be with you as you seek to do His Will!
Blessings, Paula
Bradigans:
Thanks dearly Kat and PKnowler. I really appreciate you alls input. It's nice to have a body I can take issues to through THE WORD. 1 Corinthians 12:26 says - And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Please be patient with me. I know some folks may feel this should be common sense. I try not to trust my head as much as the Holy Spirit leadings in and through my heart. This site and some of brother Ray's teaching have been a blessing to me. Up to a few weeks ago when I came acrosss some of brother Ray's teaching, I thought that I was the only one that thought there was something wrong with the denominized church. I haven't been to an organized church in years. I take nothing for granted and try not to assume anything, but try to be open to THE HOLY SPIRIT'S promptings through THE WORD. This is one reason I want to make certain it is THE SPIRIT'S leading through THE WORD and not tradition (men's precept) leading me to get a marriage license. Also, Kat I'm going to look at the site that you sent me from brother Ray on this issue also. I'm all about doing things (God's will) from the standpoint of THE SPIRIT in the spirit. I don't want to simply go through an outward show.
Anyway before I lose my thought on this issue of marriage and whether or not it's a ceremony, has anyone ever considered Genesis 24:67 - And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death? Was the sex that was made out of love the marriage ceremony? Is that the uniting. As far as fornication, would that be taking something that belongs to God's temple that has God's Spirit, and joining it to the synogogue of Satan or synogogue of unbelievers? 1 Corinthians 3:16 - Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Corinthians 6:15-17 - Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot (something that doesn't have God's Spirit such as an unbeliever)? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? So couldn't fornication as far as a believer have a much deeper spiritual significance? Something (someone) who is a part of God's temple thus having God's Spirit yoking up with an unbeliever? Could folks be getting a license to sin and commit adultery if it's to an unbeliever? I know it looks politically correct, but is it God's Word? Folks have adulterous spirit's because they're (like Old Testament Israel) at odds with God's Word. Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. They were doing everything outwardly but were still living in spiritual adultery because they were against God's Word. I don't want to do anything to be politically correct, but I want to do things because it's right according to the Word. Whatever God's will is, i want it to be worked into my heart. I don't want this to get tedious.
PKnowler:
I am glad that you are open to counsel and seeking to do God's Will in this matter. As far as Isaac taking Rebekah and making her his wife by sexual relations- I do not know. I've never studied it. I would tend to think there was a ceremony. But I am not going to debate such things. I do know the sexual act makes two become one but I don't believe it makes them married because if it did there would be no fornication, only marriage or adultery. And God wouldn't have warned us to flee fornication. He would have said "fornicate and be fruitful". Just kidding!
Yes there is spiritual fornication and spiritual adultery but I would suggest that you be careful not to spiritualize away God's instruction.
I believe the physical is a prototype of the spiritual. The spiritual doesn't negate God's commandments it affirms them.
We are not to just live by the letter of the law but by the spirit of the law.
As I was thinking of your question a scripture came to me. This is not an all inclusive answer to your question but you might ponder it.
1 Corinthians 10:23 "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive. 24 Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others. 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it." 27 If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake-- 29 the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for? 31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
Do you think you are a stumbling block to anyone? You say you are a follower of Christ while living in "sin". Whether you see it that way or not- many do. I am not saying that as judgment but to get you to think beyond yourself.
I hope I have not offended (too much)!
Blessings, Paula
brothertoall:
Bradford I will give you my opinion on this marriage thing. First of all in the eyes of God a paper or ring on someones finger does not make a marriage. I have been married to the same women for almost 28 years and we lived together for over 5 years.
Now what man sees as marriage and what it really means are 2 different things. marriage is not the paper or the ring but consists of love ,commitment, sharing, being There for each other through the good as well as the bad. C'mon ASdam and eve had no one to marry them and I am sure there was no gold ring to put on each others finger. God was the full authority in that union.
Now it may be that it needs to be made legal depending on where you live and may involve being abble to claim your children and your mate for insurance purposes.
Should you feel guilty because you do not have that piece of paper or ring to say that you are united as one. Me personally, I don't think so.
I am sick and tired of people trying to give there definition of marriage. Loving one another,sharing your life with one another and being committed to one another is a union my friend. In the eyes of God you are both one and you have no problem with me on that matter. I know people who are married that should not be and yet they thought it was the right thing to do.According to who and what???
God knows both of your hearts and it only matters what He thinks not what the WORLD thinks.
Someone brought up fonication. I do not see where that pertains to this situation. If you are both faithful to one another and you are both one that is not fornication.
A piece of paper and a ring does not make a marriage. LOVE for one another is what it is all about.
Follow what God would have you to do not what man thinks you should do.
I will probably get blasted for this Bradford but the ways of the world no longer appeal to me.
And by the way I am quite sure that piece of paper or a ring on your finger is not going to change the way you feel about each other.If you both are commited to one another then in the eyes of God you are already married.
bobby
Sorin:
Bobby,
I agree with you. People are so quick to point out that God married Adam and Eve and they were married in God's eyes and thus they did not fornicate. But then they insist that God no longer marries people, it is the church or court system which does that. I mean, c'mon, there's nothing wrong with two people loving each other and living together. Fornication would be just having random sex with random people who you just met at a party or night club etc.... now making a commitment (even without some silly paper/ring) to be with that person until death, that's not fornicating.
Now am I saying I'm against marriage, and making it officaly legal in the eyes of men? No, I'm not saying that, just that I don't believe what Bradigans is doing is "fornicating".
That's all.
Take care,
Sorin
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