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when is scripture literal and when is it spiritual????
brothertoall:
Craig I will try and find it but it may take a while. it would be a nice jester and a big help if the Mods also would help me to find this as well as the others viewing this topic.
bobby
Kat:
Hi Bobby,
I found a couple of emails that seem to apply to this subject.
http://bible-truths.com/email13.htm#guidance
[Ray Replies]
Dear Walter:
The level of understanding that I personally possess is not necessarily what your goal should be. You should desire to have the understanding of Jesus Christ.
Now then, is there a "reading list" as you suggest that will give you this understanding? NO.
Will taking courses at a theological seminary (as you suggested) give you this understanding? NO.
Will reading and studying dozens of Bible Dictionaries and Bible Commentaries give you this understanding? NO.
Will reading the Bible ITSELF give you this spiritual understanding. NO
Well where pray tell does it come from? It comes from the Spirit of God IN US--having the very MIND OF CHRIST IN US.
How do we get that? Repent & OBEY the gospel! "A good understanding have all they that DO His commandments." There are hundreds and hundreds of spiritual commandments in the New Testament Scriptures. You must OBEY those commandments. All of my writing are designed to help people better understand this commandments. That's why God has teachers. I personally try to obey ALL OF GODS SPIRITUAL COMMANDMENTS in the New Testament. I repent of my SINS. I BEG God for spiritual understanding and spiritual obedience and spiritual LOVE for God and for all humanity.
Do these things ALL day, EVERY day, and God will give you understanding--I GUARANTEE IT!
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2300.0.html
Dear Lloyd:
It is a little frustrating for me too, that thousands of people have come to me as you are doing, asking me how they can have great faith, freedom from all sins, doubts, financial, and health problems, get saved, understand all Scripture, etc., etc., etc. In other words: "Ray, please explain to me ALL THE MYSTERS OF LIFE in one short email." It can't be done, Lloyd. I have written nearly 2000 pages of material by now, and I doubt that you have read much of it. You want the answers, but you want them neatly packaged in a one page email. It don't happen, Lloyd. Do you think that I woke up one morning and instantly knew all that I know now? I am wrestling with a couple of points right now in the Scriptures. Most wouldn't see the problem if I explained it to them. There are keys (as in Jesus gave Peter "the KEYS to the Kingdom." Unfortunately, He did not spell them out to all of us. Someone recently wrote hundreds of pages of commentary on the Book of Revelation thinking that they had unlocked all the mysteries of Revelation and prophecy. The whole premise of their commentary was totally wrong and unscriptural.
You will never in this life grasp all of the mysteries of God or the Scriptures. But to those who search out her pages like real hidden treasure, God opens up our understanding. I can not give you that in an email. I cannot prove to you that I have the key to all truth. God will have to reveal to you whether the things I teach are true and according to the intent of the writers of Scripture or not. One thing I can and have done over and over again, is show how utterly silly and often evil and unscriptural most of what is taught by Christendom and self-appointed vanity filly prophets of the Scriptures.
As you pray and obey and study, God will open things up to your understand, and at that moment whole sections of revelation will flood your mind. But not all Scripture---just sections of Scripture: here at truth and there a truth, and then they start to all come together and a bit picture presents itself to our spiritual understanding. I get asked this question all day long Lloyd, but only God can give you the answer. All I can do is encourage you to not give up.
God be with you,
Ray
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Hope this helps.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
brothertoall:
I found this in the http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
Are we to believe that in a few hours Jesus read to them the entire 39 books, 929 chapters, 23,145 verses of the Old Testament, with commentary and explanations? No, of course not. He taught them a principle, a spiritual truth, whereby they could understand all the Scriptures that pertained to Him.
The spiritual resurrected Jesus Christ does not represent the physical house of David, or the physical Tribe of Judah, or the physical nation of Israel. Jesus Christ is Spirit and His words are spirit. "As Jesus is, so are we" means that those who are spiritually (composed of almost exclusively Gentiles in this Church era) are the true Jews—not national Israel and Judah. National Israel and Judah are going into the Great White Throne of Judgment in the second resurrection during the period of the Lake of Fire. They will NOT be grafted into Jesus, the Tree of Life, before then. Jesus fulfilled all that is written in the Law of Moses and all the prophets—it ALL pertains to Jesus, and thus it all pertains to us (‘upon whom the ends of the ages are come,’ I Cor. 10:11).
Everything from Genesis to Revelation pertains to a higher SPIRITUAL meaning than the physical examples, parables, metaphors, allegories, stories and symbols in which they are written. "Let us make man in Our Image" (Gen. 1:26) are words of SPIRIT: "…Surely I come quickly…" (Rev. 22:20) are words of SPIRIT. God does not look like a six-foot man or a five-foot woman. Jesus comes quickly to us, not to the world.
Thanks Kat and this section is only a part of some good stuff.
craig what did you find? Anyone else find anything?
bobby
Craig:
I'm looking, the word you used "it is all spiritual and not to be taken Literally" throws me, because I can't recall ever seeing that. I remember the things you found, the literal has a higher spiritual meaning, thats what I was trying to show with the adultry post. But I don't recall that all is not to be taken literally.
Still looking
Craig
brothertoall:
Craig you know very well that Ray made the comment THE WHOLE BIBLE IS A PARABLE. I would say that pretty much covers it ALL.I found the email and it is posted below. It can also be found by searching the word "parable". Glad I could help. The word bolding is my doing.
bobby
Parable
« on: December 30, 2006, 06:06:17 PM »
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Hi ray,
Thanks for the encouragement.. can you tell me what you mean when you say all of the scriptures are a parable?
Thanks,
Dave
Dear Dave:
Well, not really, not in less than a hour or so, but I'll give you a hint. God is the Creator. He made everything. He made everthing for a purpose. There is one grand goal that God has for the entire human race. The Christian Church has not a CLUE as to what that goal is or how it will be accomplish. The whole plan and purpose is outlined in the Scriptures. But just as NONE of the people who heard Jesus teach in parables, understood His parables, so the Whole Bible is one GIANT parable which the Church does not understand. In a nutshell: God is creating the human race into HIS VERY OWN SPIRITUAL IMAGE. Oh, I thought that already was accomplished back in the Garden, wasn't it? I told you it's all one GIANT PARABLE!
God be with you,
Ray
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