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when is scripture literal and when is it spiritual????
Sorin:
I am a bit confused though as to what Ray means by "The Whole Bible Is One Giant Parable". I mean Parables are not literally true, so if that's the case, then why take anything in the bible literally? And that includes, God and Jesus and everything else. If they're part of a parable, then they're not literally true, therefore they don't literally exist. Neighter did Paul or Noah or Adam and Eve etc...
Now, I don't think that's what Ray is saying, but I just don't understand what he means by that.
Craig:
Sorin,
I can't speak for Ray, but I think all he means is that the whole bible has a deeper spiritual meaning than what most carnal minded people (that included me) can see.
Craig
Kat:
Hi Sorin,
I agree with Craig.
I think what Ray means is that every single thing that is in the Bible,
has a spiritual lesson behind it.
But all the spiritual meaning to everything is only revealed to those whom God has given eyes to see it.
Everybody can see the literal reality of thing in the Bible, but only a few can understand these spiritual Truths.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Sorin on February 01, 2007, 06:53:57 PM ---I am a bit confused though as to what Ray means by "The Whole Bible Is One Giant Parable". I mean Parables are not literally true, so if that's the case, then why take anything in the bible literally? And that includes, God and Jesus and everything else. If they're part of a parable, then they're not literally true, therefore they don't literally exist. Neighter did Paul or Noah or Adam and Eve etc...
Now, I don't think that's what Ray is saying, but I just don't understand what he means by that.
--- End quote ---
Sorin,
Did you see my question about Christ being crucified? Keeping that in mind what is this verse saying?
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Does this mean we are to begin toting a wooden cross around as we go through our daily routines?
We know that this verse means that our carnal nature is to be crucified with Him, that we die to self so He can live in us.
His death was real and literal our crucifiction is spiritual, this is how it is a parable.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Sorin on February 01, 2007, 07:24:51 PM ---Yeah, that's why I said: " I don't think that's what Ray means by that"
Basically, the whole bible is one giant parable because...... it's written for our admonition and it has a deeper spiritual meaning than just the literal. And basically, we eighter were, or are in {spirutal} Egypt, and God will eventually get us out of there etc...
Basically, all the things that happened in the bible to the Jews, or to the Apostles etc... have to spiritualy happen to us? We have to be {spirtually} blinded on our roads to Demascus and all that? I mean parables, have a messgage, a purpose for telling it. You learn from it. So is that basically what Ray is getting at?
Yes, you got it.
And I understand that the bible has a deeper, spiritual meaning than just what's literaly written in it, but is "parable" { a fictitious narrative} the right choice of words?
There is more to the definition than a "(symbolically) ficticious narrative."
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parable 4912
H4912
משׁל
mâshâl
maw-shawl'
Apparently from H4910 in some original sense of superiority in mental action; properly a pithy maxim, usually of a metaphorical nature; hence a simile (as an adage, poem, discourse): - byword, like, parable, proverb.
parable 3850
G3850
παραβολή
parabolē
par-ab-ol-ay'
From G3846; a similitude (“parable”), that is, (symbolically) fictitious narrative (of common life conveying a moral), apoth gm or adage: - comparison, figure, parable, proverb.
parable 3942
G3942
παροιμία
paroimia
par-oy-mee'-ah
From a compound of G3844 and perhaps a derivative of G3633; apparently a state alongside of supposition, that is, (concretely) an adage; specifically an enigmatical or fictitious illustration: - parable, proverb.
The following are the definitions of the definitions :D
adage
a condensed but memorable saying embodying some important fact of experience that is taken as true by many people [syn: proverb]
maxim
1. an expression of a general truth or principle, esp. an aphoristic or sententious one: the maxims of La Rochefoucauld.
2. a principle or rule of conduct.
metaphor
A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in "a sea of troubles" or "All the world's a stage" (Shakespeare).
One thing conceived as representing another; a symbol: "Hollywood has always been an irresistible, prefabricated metaphor for the crass, the materialistic, the shallow, and the craven" (Neal Gabler).
simile
A figure of speech in which two essentially unlike things are compared, often in a phrase introduced by like or as, as in "How like the winter hath my absence been" or "So are you to my thoughts as food to life" (Shakespeare).
I hope this helps,
Joe
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