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another NOOB question :)
Craig:
Like I said above Bobby,
I believe that the spirit of God is in everyone, and God can direct this spirit when, where and with whom He chooses.
Most times He speaks in that still small voice, but sometimes like the trumpet of the arch-angel.
I don't believe He puts in or pulls out His spirit, but He can turn it on or off.
Craig
ertsky:
i thought these verses might be relevant
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
but yeah i'm seeking Him with everything He gives me, lest i should be a castaway
i want to be in the first resurrection
so these verses mean a lot to me
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Phi 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Phi 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
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indeed
stay under
keep following
Pro 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
first resurrection, well it's not so much the first resurrection i want, it's Him
Joh 6:40 and this is the will of Him who sent me, that every one who is beholding the Son, and is believing in him, may have life age-during, and I will raise him up in the last day.'
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Chris R:
--- Quote from: parsonssc ---O.K,
This is just my opinion, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, or if I contradict Ray or Mike.
If a person would tell me he is one of the chosen, or if I started to believe I was myself, then I would say that I/they are not the chosen.
Being the chosen of God is to be an overcomer, and overcoming is a life-long process. We will know if we are chosen when we awaken at the first ressurection and not until. I believe even in Paul's writings he doesn't claim to be the chosen, he is hopeful and says he has done all he can do to overcome, and finish the race.
The spirit of God is in all of us, ALL. I liken it to an old-time telephone that God supplies everyone with. Sometimes God will make the call and we don't hear the ring or will not pick up and listen, and sometimes it remains silent. Everyone doesn't like the phone God supplies and has to get themselves their own new-fangled phone with all the features, (it's called the Beast666 model) Unfortunately that new phone will not receive God's calls very clearly but the world comes in loud and clear. The overcomers I believe are getting rid of their new phone and listening for the ring of God and taking His calls on the old phone, they are ridding their life of the din of noise from the world so they can listen, loud and clear.
Overcoming is a lifelong process and only God can direct us to the end, but we need to get out of the way and let His spirit guide us and quit wondering if we have the spirit or not, it is within us all.
Blessings!
Craig
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Hi Craig,
You are absolutley correct,
Peace
Chris R
ertsky:
--- Quote ---If a person would tell me he is one of the chosen, or if I started to believe I was myself, then I would say that I/they are not the chosen.
--- End quote ---
how does that reconcile with this verse
Rom 8:15 for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, `Abba--Father.'
Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God;
--- Quote ---quit wondering if we have the spirit or not, it is within us all.
--- End quote ---
how does that reconcile with
Rom 8:9 And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ--this one is not His;
i know these thoughts scare the pant's of one who doubts, but i believe we need to know that we are His and be able to back it up with scripture and experience.
i remember suffering anguish myself awhile ago thinking "oh no, what if i'm not His" (panic panic freak freak)
then decided to seek Him anyway :) it was just the adversary up to that same old tactic
the enemy will always challenge our sonship just like he challenged the Lord.
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
i would say we need to follow Jesus' example and refute Satans lies with the word.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
PLEASE IF I'VE GOT THIS WRONG, CORRECT IT
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Chris R:
Hi,
There is nothing that contradicts the scriptures you have mentioned, But we must all understand why Paul wrote the following verses,
I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 1Cr 9:26-27.
Paul knew were God had him then and there, this however CAN change,
Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 1Cr 9:24
He hath made every [thing] beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Ecc 3:11
It is useless to even consider that you or I can know what circumstances God will cause for us tommorrow that could sway us or change us.
This is why we run the race, and if we endure to the end it is all of God, and not of man.
O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. Jer 10:23
God knows who are His, However WE simply do not know what things we must suffer for his name, Only God knows, to say otherwise is foolishness.
Chris R
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