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another NOOB question :)
Craig:
--- Quote ---If a person would tell me he is one of the chosen, or if I started to believe I was myself, then I would say that I/they are not the chosen.
how does that reconcile with this verse
Rom 8:15 for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, `Abba--Father.'
Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God;
Quote:
quit wondering if we have the spirit or not, it is within us all.
how does that reconcile with
Rom 8:9 And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ--this one is not His;
PLEASE IF I'VE GOT THIS WRONG, CORRECT IT
--- End quote ---
Let me start by saying that in my earlier life I was a teacher of scripture, I am no longer, I am a student and as such I am very careful to say anything because I know how wrong I was in the past with my teaching and don't want to be wrong and cause anyone to stumble. I have alot to learn now, and feel I am only in kindergarten.
Chris answered the first question better than I can.
Let me try to answer accdording to my belief.
There are many verses in the bible that testify to "spirit of" do a search on them. There are many spirits working in us all the time.
I don't see any thing that makes me question the statement of Rom 8:16, the spirit of God in us all testifies with our spirit of life that we are children of God. I could be wrong but I believe deep down even a athiest feels this connection.
Rom 8:9 is answered for me in 2 cor 3:2-3
2 Ye (the believers) are our epistle (letter, message, etc) written in our hearts (notice hearts), known and read of all men: (Notice all)
How is it known and read by "all" men?
Through their hearts.
How is written in their hearts?
By the spirit of God that dwells there.
3 Forasmuch as ye (believers)are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ (message of Christ that Paul taught) ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
The spirit of God is in all man's hearts, else how could it be known and read by all men?
It's just that most of mankind ignores the spirit of God that is within us.
Well that's just my opinion, and I'm open to correction.
Craig
ertsky:
thanks for the replies Chris and Craig
i thought there was a suggestion that ALL now have the holy spirit in them and it seemed to me "that can't be right" doesn't the scripture say
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
i believe that in Him (God) we live and move and have our being
however
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
i heartily agree there is no place in the believers life for complacency, we must run, not because we will, but because God is causing us to run, it is definately not of him that wills or runs but of God who shows mercy.
some verses that speak
Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
and when the devil challenges our sonship let us remind him that he is a liar from the beginning by knowing the scriptures as God's spirit has taught them to us.
Heb 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
lets seek Him with ALL our God given strength
though He slay me yet will i trust Him
f
have i got this wrong ? does it need balancing ?
is there error in what i am saying ?
also as you may be aware i am zealous for the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so please make allowances for my intensity.
i'm only trying to honour Christ by getting it right
and i need all the help i can get
f
hillsbororiver:
Great thread, really edifying and interesting scriptures and opinions.
At the Nashville Conference Ray spoke of "All are Guilty of All" that it is the Spirit of God in us that keeps most of us from doing every and any despicable thing the human mind can imagine. "But by the grace of God go I" is applicable to everyone who "by the grace of God" has not murdered, raped, tortured or committed the most atrocious acts against their brothers and sisters.
http://www.aionios.com/mp3s/Ray_Guilty_of_ALL.mp3
This is an eye opener.
Joe
Craig:
--- Quote ---i thought there was a suggestion that ALL now have the holy spirit in them
--- End quote ---
I just popped in and don't have time for a full response, but I don't think I said holy spirit, I said spirit fo God.
Craig
hillsbororiver:
Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Pro 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God who hath also given unto us his Holy Spirit.
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