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Harryfeat:

--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---Someone wrote an article supposedly refuting Ray:

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithlr01.html

I plan on reading his article about Hell and writing a counter argument against it. How would you like that: "refuting those that try to refute but are not - Nightmare Sasuke"
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Hello nightmare,

I read the article and found it interesting.  It basically is a treatise on greek translation and grammar with emphasis on what was used to support their opinions. Hell wasn't even the main focus.

I found some of the arguments compelling especially including authors of the period to see how they used the meaning of words.  I have always found idiomatic phrases and common usage language interesting.  

There certainly was not a lack of quoted scripture, even though it was only examples from Ray's text.

Just for the record, I don't believe in eternal torture.

Let us know how your refutation goes.

feat

ertsky:

--- Quote ---What church are you affiliated with? Tekton is an independent ministry. I attend a Southern Baptist church but would be comfortable just about anywhere where the Bible was honored as the Word of God.
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i found this quite humourous

them southern baptists are known far and wide for their honouring the word of God don't you know LOL!

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hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: Harryfeat ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---Someone wrote an article supposedly refuting Ray:

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithlr01.html

I plan on reading his article about Hell and writing a counter argument against it. How would you like that: "refuting those that try to refute but are not - Nightmare Sasuke"
--- End quote ---


Hello nightmare,

I read the article and found it interesting.  It basically is a treatise on greek translation and grammar with emphasis on what was used to support their opinions. Hell wasn't even the main focus.

I found some of the arguments compelling especially including authors of the period to see how they used the meaning of words.  I have always found idiomatic phrases and common usage language interesting.  

There certainly was not a lack of quoted scripture, even though it was only examples from Ray's text.

Just for the record, I don't believe in eternal torture.

Let us know how your refutation goes.

feat
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"Certainly not a lack of scripture" !!?? He was using supposition to refute scriptural witnesses presented by Ray. Much of the Greek he defined was influenced by modern usage not the original definition of the time it was written. All languages have been influenced by Latin first and English now, that is one reason the French have been so vigilant in attempting to keep foreign influence from "tainting" their language, although it will prove to be a futile attempt.

Joe

Harryfeat:

--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---
--- Quote from: Harryfeat ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---Someone wrote an article supposedly refuting Ray:

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithlr01.html

I plan on reading his article about Hell and writing a counter argument against it. How would you like that: "refuting those that try to refute but are not - Nightmare Sasuke"
--- End quote ---


Hello nightmare,

I read the article and found it interesting.  It basically is a treatise on greek translation and grammar with emphasis on what was used to support their opinions. Hell wasn't even the main focus.

I found some of the arguments compelling especially including authors of the period to see how they used the meaning of words.  I have always found idiomatic phrases and common usage language interesting.  

There certainly was not a lack of quoted scripture, even though it was only examples from Ray's text.

Just for the record, I don't believe in eternal torture.

Let us know how your refutation goes.

feat
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"Certainly not a lack of scripture" !!?? He was using supposition to refute scriptural witnesses presented by Ray. Much of the Greek he defined was influenced by modern usage not the original definition of the time it was written. All languages have been influenced by Latin first and English now, that is one reason the French have been so vigilant in attempting to keep foreign influence from "tainting" their language, although it will prove to be a futile attempt.

Joe
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 I was simply reacting to the statement above that said "I didn't find one quote of scripture in that article."

I also stated that they only cited from Ray's text.

 Initially, you also stated that there was some scripture quoted yet you didn't say anything more about the scripture quoted.

I am not a language scholar and I don't know whether your knowledge or the author's knowledge is any better or worse than mine. It makes a lot of sense to me to use every tool you can to find the etymology of the words used.  In my view,  common usage in other writings at the same period could be more compelling case for acceptance in that regard. That's also why I found the article interesting.  

I do know that it is important for me  to keep a healthy skepticism about whatever anyone  interprets as the truth.  I don't necessarily agree with the author on the whole but then I don't agree with a lot of things people write.  I just take them for what they are worth.

Does that help answer your question marks?

feat

ertsky:

--- Quote ---# As a preterist I believe Satan is now bound and not doing anything.
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another classic from tekton

LOL! this tekton guy is a classic

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