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God's only begotten Son
iris:
Hi Dwight,
What a great post!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Iris
Deborah-Leigh:
Dwight
Thank you brother.
Your responce does much to help and encourage my faith :
Excerpt from your post Dwight of 2nd Jan :
And in an instant, Faith and Love were at his side, and all the brothers embraced and prayed with thanksgiving to God that they were together again. And Love held him and kissed him on the neck and they wept together and all got on their knees thanking God for the vision that He had given to Christian.
"Without a vision, the people perish."
Pro. 29:18 .
Your eyes that see Him blesses me with your words that show Him...
Peace to you brother
Arcturus :)
Joey Porter:
I think that is right - Jesus came out from God just as Eve came out from Adam. He was not created, per se, but He came out from God. There must be a difference there, because the scriptures are emphatic in telling us that we are not to worship created things, and yet, Christ is worthy of all worship.
He is The Word - so anything spoken by God - anything that comes out from Him, is Christ. I suppose the printed words on the pages of our bibles are just a shadow of the True Word. Paper and ink are nothing. The bible itself is not the true word of God - it is simply a tool we use to help us understand the true Word of God, who is Christ in us. And I'm just kind of rambling now...
Kat:
Hi Dwight and Arcturus,
This is certainly an interesting topic, I have wondered about this a lot.
These scripture in John 17 give some perspective on this subject.
John 17:22 The glory that You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one even as We are one,
v. 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that You sent Me and loved them even as You loved Me.
v. 24 Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, may be with Me where I am, to see My glory that You have given Me because You loved me before the foundation of the world.
v. 25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know You, I know You, and these know that You have sent Me.
v. 26 I made known to them Your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which You have loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
This is saying that Christ is 'one' with Father, the very same in mind and spirit. So this oneness is beginning in us now, but will be completed/perfected at the resurrection. This will evenually be given to all human being, and when all have received salvation, it is then that God will be all in all.
Eph 1:22 And He has put all things under His feet and gave Him to be Head over all things to the church, v. 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
1Co 15:28 But when all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subject to Him who has subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all things in all.
--- Quote ---In the end, the whole universe and all the earth will be God; He will be all and all.
--- End quote ---
By the whole universe, you mean all being (human and angelic), right?
It is my thinking that God is creating a kind of family out of humanity, to bring them into oneness with/as God (Father and Son).
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
v. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the Firstborn of all creation.
v. 16 For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through Him and for Him.
v. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
v. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the Firstborn from the dead, that in everything He might be preeminent.
v. 19 For in Him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,
v. 20 and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of His cross.
What this scripture say of the Father is, He's invisible (Col. 1:15), but He is Love (John 15:10)... it is from Christ that we have to get most everything we understand about the Father.
John 14:6 Jesus said to Him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
v. 7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him."
I believe that the Father is the supreme being (John 14:27), but He is not a man and I think He is a being that the human mind, in it's limitations, just can not comprehind.
I believe that is why we were given Jesus Christ from Himself, the perfect representative we need, so we could have a being, like us, that we can relate to.
Heb 1:2 in these last days He spoke to us in the Son, whom He appointed heir of all; through whom He indeed made the ages;
v. 3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, having made purification of our sins through Himself, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high. (LITV)
This is how I am coming to see this, at this time anyway.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Robin:
Lots to think about here.
When they ate it, they died spiritually and so death passed upon all mankind.
I think Ray wrote or said somewhere that the wages of sin is death and it is physical death and not spiritual death. When someone dies his spirit returns to God who gave it and his body returns to the earth. At the resurrection that same spirit will be put into a new spiritual body. It says that our spirit returns to God who gave it so does that mean that our spirit came out of God?
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