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Jesus and the tomb
Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
I think that would help explain a lot of things :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
DWIGHT:
Hi Kat and Arturus,
When the Lord comes at the last trump, and gathers His elect from the four corners of the earth and the dead IN CHRIST are raised from the dead; then He sets up His kingdom. This is the first resurrection. There are still unbelievers left on the earth that are called the nations. These are ruled and judged by the chosen; and Satan is cast into a bottomless pit for a thousand years.
"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Rev. 21:1-6
After the thousand years, Satan is loosed from the pit and makes war with the saints (chosen). Then comes the second ressurection and the GWT. This is when the just and the unjust stand before God and everyone will be judge according to his works.
"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev.21:5-15
Then after the GWT judgement Jphn says,
" 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful." Rev.22:1-5
Now, this is how I see it, but of course I could be wrong. what do you think?
Love,
Dwight
Kat:
Hi Dwight,
What you have just stated is the way I used to believe. I had to rethink all of what I believed because I was bringing some things I learned in church into my ideas. Nothing that the church teach is right, Ray has pounded that home to me.
One thing that is important in all this.
2Pe 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Those period of time hold little meaning with this verse in mind, the numbers are all symbolic.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
sansmile:
Yes Dwight Yes,
Thats what i see, death is not thrown into the pit until AFTER His reign on earth. There will be those that are still unbelievers and those that are still living (but of the elect) when Christ returns. The OT patriarchs will still be in their graves. They died without receiving the promise.
sansmile:
Sorry posted without finishing ;
(Heb 11:39) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
(Heb 11:40) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
So, they hadn't received the comforter.
So am i wrong in seeing that the new heaven and earth will be AFTER the GWJ because He says it will be after death is thrown into the LOF??
And arcturus the seventh trumpet is the last, reaching perfection.
And destroying all things of men, like in Jericho:
(Jos 6:15) And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.
(Jos 6:16) And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.
So perfection for those who are not of the elect wil come when the walls fall and a new earth is created?? After the elect have reigned and death is destroyed??
Am i rambling here??? Great thread!
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