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worm:
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I am still confused about babylon whether it represents the world we are to come out of which includes organized religion or is it just the religion.
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hey Harryfeat,
the way I see it is...Babylon is a condition of the heart (I explained in the thread Church vs Babylon)...evil and confusion starts in our hearts, and it is from there that we have to come out of first and foremost...if its a Spiritual thing that is...well, that's what I believe...
jennie:
I have to share this here. I used to have a pretty bad drinking problem as a teen-ager. Thank the good Lord He intervened and I stopped a long time ago. Several years after this, we felt a need to go into the local bar. We didn't have a drink except cola but sat down with some patrons and chatted with them. All that we talked to made the comment to us that " ya'll are Christians right? Why do you want to even sit and talk with me, a drunk?'. We were not there to preach to anyone and just said to them that God is working in all our lives and that He will take care of us all at the end. We were asked why we were not ashamed to talk to them and why God even would care about some bar goers. Our response was that we were honored to have these individuals be willing to spend time with us and not be ashamed to talk to us! We also told them that God sees no difference in any person and had a pleasant evening. The sad thing was the wonder of the patrons that we were not ashamed to sit with them and chat. We are all still " a work in progress". We are all still loved by God. For anyone reading... that evening was another example of why the "churches" in our area don't welcome my husband or myself.
Karen:
When I come upon one who doesnt see as I do. I do not treat them different, I love them. They love Jesus, as I love them. Jesus has not openned their eyes to see. There are people who do not know Jesus or go to Church. They are apart of this world. I befriend them, but I do not go to there level. I only answer questions that one asks me, if they do not ask, I do not force what I believe on no man. Jesus said I am the Light and the Salt of the earth. That I should leave my life through Him. to be a example to others,by how I live. There has been a time I battled with a man. To find the Lord telling me to back away. I wasnt going to get that person to believe the way I did. I love all and when the spirit says to back away I do. God knows the hearts of all this people. Thats why He said to pray for all. Thats what I do. Father, thy will be done in this world. Let His will be done in each individuals life. ~Karen~
rocky:
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--- Quote from: Harryfeat ---
I am still confused about babylon whether it represents the world we are to come out of which includes organized religion or is it just the religion.
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hey Harryfeat,
the way I see it is...Babylon is a condition of the heart (I explained in the thread Church vs Babylon)...evil and confusion starts in our hearts, and it is from there that we have to come out of first and foremost...if its a Spiritual thing that is...well, that's what I believe...
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Spiritual babylon, with the beast on the throne. Pride, deceitfulness. Yeah, I agree.
Praise God for his grace, that in His timing, kicks the beasts butt. As gmilk earlier said; i must decrease so he must increase. I thank God for mature men/women who have not thrown me out and trampled on me, but have gently pulled me along.
These men never once "hopped into bed with me" and drank of the whore, but they did love me with the love of Christ. They were seperate, yet present. I only hope that as I mature, Christ in me will do the same. Christ (in and through me) administering reconciliation.
Mike V is a great example of this, his love is expressed in his emails to me. Just like his conferences; isnt' he preaching to babylon. I highly doubt that everyone at a conference is fully mature and out of babylon. I'll bet he even has lunch with them too.
Christ in you, our hope of glory.
eutychus:
Mike V, his love is evedent for sure.
hey rocky, what me pull a rabbit outa my hat ;-]
love
chuckt
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