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ertsky:
--- Quote ---1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
Jam 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob [chosen] have I loved, but Esau [called] have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Rev 17:14 These ["them"] shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they ["us'] that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
The word "continue" in the above scripture is the same greek word translated "abideth" in the scripture here.
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Now back "to those Jews which believed on Him".
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal [aionios] judgment. [UR]
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Deedle :D
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music to my ears Deedle
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orion77:
Isa 21:9
And behold this! Coming is a chariot with men, a pair of horsemen! And he is responding and saying, `Fallen! Fallen is Babylon! And all the carvings and her forbidden idols are broken to the earth.'"
Isa 47:1
Down! And sit on the soil, virgin daughter of Babylon! Sit on the earth, not on a throne, daughter of the Chaldeans! For no more shall they call you, `tender and delicate.'
Isa 47:2
Take a millstone and grind meal. Expose your draped form! Bare your skirt! Expose the leg! Pass over the streams!
Isa 47:3
Exposed shall be your nakedness! Moreover, apparent shall be your reproach! I will take vengeance on you,
Isa 47:4
and I will not interpose a human!" says our Redeemer. Yahweh of hosts is His name, the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 47:5
"Sit still, and come into darkness, daughter of the Chaldeans, for no more shall they call you, `Mistress of the kingdoms.'
Isa 47:6
I was wroth over My people, and I violated My allotment, and was giving them into your hand, yet you show them no compassion. On the old you make your yoke exceedingly heavy.
Isa 47:7
Yet you are saying, `For an eon will I be mistress still!' You do not lay these things to heart; you are not mindful of your hereafter.
Isa 47:8
And now, hear this, luxuriant one, dwelling trustingly, who is saying in her heart, `I, and only I, further! I shall not sit, a widow, nor see bereavement.'
Isa 47:9
Yet now these two shall come to you in a moment; in one day, bereavement and widowhood, suddenly they shall come on you in your many enchantments, in the staunchness of your magic charms, exceedingly.
Isa 47:10
And you are trusting in your knowledge. You are saying, `No one is seeing me.' Your wisdom and your knowledge, it turns you back. And you are saying in your heart, `I, and only I, further!'
Isa 47:11
And evil comes on you. And you are not knowing of the pitfall. And woe shall fall on you. You cannot shelter yourself from it. And coming on you is devastation, and you cannot become clear. And coming on you suddenly is futility, when you shall not know it.
Isa 47:12
Then stand, pray, by your magic charms, and by your many enchantments, with which you were acquainted from your youth until today. Perhaps you can benefit! Perhaps you will be staunch!
Isa 47:13
You are tired with your many counsels. Standing, pray, are they, and saving you are the astrologers, the seers of visions in the stars, the informers for new moons, from the things which are coming on you?
Isa 47:14
Behold! They all become as straw. Fire shall burn them up. They shall not rescue their soul from the hand of the blaze. It is no ember to warm them, or light to sit in front of.
Isa 47:15
So they become to you, those with whom you labored, your merchants from your youth. Each man strays to his passage. No saviour is yours.
Harryfeat, there a few scriptures that describe babylon. This has been a hot topic here, but it seems to me it's not just the churches and not just only self, but a combination of them both.
Worldly religion definetely plays its part in babylon, but also the false idea of self plays a great role in babylon. Notice that God is saying babylon is saying "I and only I and "your" knowledge and "your" wisdom".
Truth is, if this were MY life, that would have to mean that I was somewhat responsible for my existence. The life I have is not my own, it is His to do as He pleases.
God bless,
Gary
Harryfeat:
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Harryfeat, there a few scriptures that describe babylon. This has been a hot topic here, but it seems to me it's not just the churches and not just only self, but a combination of them both.
Worldly religion definetely plays its part in babylon, but also the false idea of self plays a great role in babylon. Notice that God is saying babylon is saying "I and only I and "your" knowledge and "your" wisdom".
Truth is, if this were MY life, that would have to mean that I was somewhat responsible for my existence. The life I have is not my own, it is His to do as He pleases.
God bless,
Gary
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Hello Gary,
Thanks for the response. Maybe it is ALL about self and God's will for us. Babylon is just an obstacle in our path. Let me explain what I mean through an analogy
We are put on this earth and start travelling a road. The road leads us into the world and through the babylon . Babylon ensnares us and we are deceived and distracted from the truth. The road through babylon is like a never ending maze. Some but very few of us make it to the gates leaving it behind.
Isn't it all about how we deal with finding the truth and learning to become more like Christ.
I am still confused about babylon whether it represents the world we are to come out of which includes organized religion or is it just the religion.
Thanks
feat
orion77:
Harryfeat,
Hello, I can certainly understand the confusion on this subject, seeing there are so many different interpretations. It's so easy to show scripture to support both sides of many different beliefs, yet now we know in part.
Most importantly, whatever it is we come out of, now we are to move on to maturity which is to develope the kind of love God has for us. And to show this kind of love towards others. I believe this is paramount and the basic foundation to the gospel of Christ.
Although now we see in part, we have the assurance through faith, which is a gift from God, that the day will come we shall have a full and complete knowledge of our Maker.
Sorry, I can't give you a more full explanation of this, yet when we know of the love of God and then proceed to show this to our fellow man, then I believe we have definetly come out of babylon.
God bless,
Gary
worm:
someone once said that "people will never listen to you until they know how much you care"...or something like that
I'd rather deal with my fellow brothers and sisters, whether they are called or chosen or faithful or churchgoers or non-believers, in the spirit of love...there is no greater power in the universe...cause God Himself IS love...that way I'm always sure that I act in a Godly (Christ in me) way towards ALL people...
when did this rebuking everybody that doesn't agree with you thing started? and who's to say the rebukers have all the answers?
a few posters have tried to justify that there should be division between people...isn't this the very model that was shown to us in the churches?
a lot of churches reckon they are right, and only them...and have all the knowledge..and all the blessings...and any other church is just not cutting it..and I see the same with websites (or internet churches as I call them)...not even the most prominent UR sites agree with each other's doctrines...
I'm sick of people proclaiming they walk with Christ but then judging others according to their own beliefs...or where they are at at the moment...
I agree with Orion77 when he says that he sticks with loving God with all his heart and his neighbour like himself...if we can't even carry out that simple command of Christ...what then of the called vs chosen vs us vs them and all doctrinal issues...these things don't matter...
if we don't have the LOVE...we have NOTHING...cause God IS LOVE
plain and simple
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