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rocky:
--- Quote from: ertsky ---just to make it plain
judge not is NOT a license to permit heresy
love your enemies is NOT an excuse to have a love in with a wolf
grace is NOT a sin permit
maturity is NOT an excuse to not rebuke error when commanded
IF YOU SEE ERROR and do not sound an alarm what kind of Brother are you ?
f
--- End quote ---
Amen. I agree. Paul never slept with the called, but in love he came to them, cried for them, prayed, encouraged, and pleaded for them to be imitators of him. In his self death, life is given to them. He became all things to all so that Christ was preached.
We are to be ministers of reconciliation (to babylon), but how do we do this; if everyone that is on milk is considered a wolf?
Is there a difference between a wolf and a baby sheep? Baby sheep need milk from us; wolves are to be starved by us?????
hillsbororiver:
I can see both perspectives as true, like 2 people looking at a different side of the same coin.
Jesus gave us an example, how He treated the multitudes, and how He treated the Pharisees. The former with tenderness and longsuffering, with the latter He called them on their hypocracy, and haughtiness.
Yes, we nurture those who are humbly seeking Him.
We call out lies and deception and a haughty spirit.
We shouldn't mimic those who accuse and disrupt, but ask questions that bring out the truth of their motives.
Joe
rocky:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---I can see both perspectives as true, like 2 people looking at a different side of the same coin.
Jesus gave us an example, how He treated the multitudes, and how He treated the Pharisees. The former with tenderness and longsuffering, with the latter He called them on their hypocracy, and haughtiness.
Yes, we nurture those who are humbly seeking Him.
We call out lies and deception and a haughty spirit.
We shouldn't mimic those who accuse and disrupt, but ask questions that bring out the truth of their motives.
Joe
--- End quote ---
I agree, i think we are saying the same thing. Ertsky is seeing the carnal man that has been deluded to never move on to maturity, and yet preaches his belief as it is truth (this imho is a wolf). Yet many are called that are being humbled and will move onto maturity. Our job is to lay the foundation, and let God do the rest.
All the called thru the foolishness of preaching will move on, if God permits.
If we look at every called person as a wolf, how do we take the message of reconciliation to them?
Only God knows there heart and their time for coming to perfection.
orion77:
If I sounded an alarm everytime there is error, I would be a crazy man by now, with all the err in this world.
I, simply do not wish to cause any division. When someone has a different opinion than mine, so be it. That is okay with me, it does not hurt my feelings, because I am founded upon the Rock. The foundation that I previously built has already crashed down, now it is not my foundation but His.
I guess, to you, I am not much of a brother, but that is your opinion and I do not answer to you. I do not understand the hostility, but it is nothing new, the true love of God and the love for the ones who eyes have not been opened, is hard to understand for most.
When in the spirit, it's about the "is, was and will be". Past, present and future. I hold nothing against anyone who does not believe as I do. Because the day will come when the knowledge of the Lord will be everywhere and there will be no need for anyone to teach anyone.
I am past the accusatory stage of christianity, of which the gracing of our Lord has showed me. I am just a small part of the many brethren and sisters, whether they be yeah or nay right now, but in the end ALL my brethren and sisters will one day be YEAH. If you know what I mean.
I don't know if you have a problem with me personally, but if you do please voice it, so I will know where you are coming from. This form of communication over the web can have its difficulities, seeing that it is easy for one to easily misunderstand another.
As far as I go, there are no hard feelings in my life to noone. It is a whole lot easier to forgive and forget. I will be the first to admit, this took God a long time to burn that out of me and come to realize we are all just the clay, He is the potter. I am no better or no different than any of the other clay God is working on. His goal is the same to all. And His will be done, no matter what you or me might think.
God bless,
Gary
Harryfeat:
Hello worm, everyone,
I would appreciate some help with some concepts. Please point me to where I can read up on this and please pardon my ignorance.
Here goes:
I thought that coming out of babylon meant coming out of the world, including but not necessarily just organized religion.
Further, I thought that coming out of the world means living your life in the spirit of Christ, continuously dying to the carnal and gaining life in the spiritual.
Lastly that this is a continuous process until the day our human flesh physically dies.
Our goal is to come out of babylon for which we strive through God's will and grace yet maybe never quite completely accomplish.
Does this mean that we are all in varying degrees still in babylon trying to escape? If so, I'd say there is only us.
Please let me know the extent of my ignorance in this regard.
Thanks in advance
feat
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