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hebrewroots98:
Dear Sister
Stay in the word!  Because, we have need of NO MAN to teach us, only the Holy Spirit!  That is the spirits' job...to teach fleshly and carnal humans things of the spirit; there is no other way to know spiritual matters, unless the Holy Spirit of God teaches you...but...THROUGH the Word of God (the bible).   
spend time in the word and more will be revealed to you, as well as on this forum and website!  Never give up finding answers to your spiritual questions!  This is the quest of my life, and my passion!  It is a great adventure and it is worth the time it takes to find the treasures (truths)!  (Most others will never find these truths that we have found!)  What a priviledge and honor and blessing it is to learn of HIM!  Thank You GOD for your Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirits' job is also to comfort us; Lord knows what all of us suffer through every day from being persecuted by others!

STAY IN THE WORD..(THY WORD IS TRUTH)

(NOTE MY SIGNOFF PHRASE ;))

skydreamers:
Hi Michelle,

I sympathize with your concerns and struggles.  While it is true that only the Spirit can teach us the truth, for someone who is first coming to Christ, sometimes the starting point is through the natural physical things of world.  It is seems only "natural" that our logical carnal minds want proof and evidence.  This may be how God initially "calls" someone to him depending on their personality.

Of course, I agree that if it is not their time, no amount of proof will convince them.

Years ago when I was longing to share Christ with my then fiance (now husband) I tried to use all sorts of material to appeal to his logic even though it was not logic itself that had brought ME to Christ.  (Strange eh?)

There was a book which did make an impact on him and convinced him of the proof of Christ's existence and that the scriptures are for real.  (I'm not sure if I can post it on here but you can PM me if you want to know what it is).  It was about the true story of an atheist journalist who decides to investigate the faith of his wife, who he greatly respected.  By the end of his investigative journey he became a believer.

The thing is, even though this book also convinced my husband that Jesus Christ is real, his spiritual journey somewhat "stalled" (for lack of a better word) since then.  He believes but does not pursue any kind of spiritual development.  Again, that's in God's hands, but at least I can be happy that he does believe.

Recently, especially after learning what I have at bibletruths, I have simply focused on being the best wife I can be, while patiently waiting from him the questions I long to hear....

1 Peter 3:15 NIV
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..

I'll be praying for you,
Peace,
Diana

andrevan:

--- Quote from: snorky on March 27, 2007, 01:11:19 AM ---Speaking as someone who was an atheist (after being a Catholic from a Cahtolic-Protestant "mixed marriage") for about ten years in the 70s, but someone who never believed in (macro) evolution (there is abundant evidence of micro evolution...dog breeds, for instance), I can say that you need to check out St. Thomas Aquinas, who first proposed the theory of "first causes" among other proofs of God's existence: basically it says that everything, including the so-called "Big Bang" has to have had a cause (what do atheists-evolutionists say caused the Big Bang? They don't know, do they?), just like the formation of life out of the so-called "primordial soup" has to have a cause. Aquinas makes abundant and basically irrefutible proof that the first cause if God. But anyway...
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God is the first cause, however, science refutes the Big Bang hypothesis, it would have to had broken the laws of physics to actually occur. Also, the sequence of cosmological (big bang) evolution contradicts how God actually created: the earth first, then vegetation, then only the other planets including the moon and sun. Evolutionists have the stars (suns) first, then planets (earth), then only life on earth. We therefore should throw off every secular world view of our origins.
I'm intrigued how you were an atheist but never believed in macro-evolution, what were your thoughts as to where everything came from?  ;D


--- Quote ---...even professing to be an atheist for about ten years, a certain event happened during that time that convicnced me that a higher power was watching over me. A bunch of us atheists were driving to Canada in a car with bald tires during a severe storm...trucks were jacknifing everywhere, and sure enough we swerved all over the thruway, hit a guardrail, careened across the highway with oncoming traffic and never got hit...wound up in the island between the northbound and southbound traffic near Rome, NY. The first thing out of my mouth was, "Now why would God save a bunch of atheists?" therby acknowledging God's existence I though I said I didn't believe in Him! I guarantee you that the ONLY way "you" are going to convince them of God is to rely on God to do so, using you to do so. You simply won't be able to do this yourself.
--- End quote ---

I love the way God called you out of atheism through those freakish events, by His grace you're here today sharing with us  :).


--- Quote ---Also, check out Pascal, Newton, and other great 16th and 17th century thinkers. For them, the non-existence of God is a mathematical impossiblity! It is truly amazing (according to His Will) that today's "scientists" insist there is no God!

Deb aka snorky

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TimothyVI:
Hi Andrevan,

You said “God is the first cause, however, science refutes the Big Bang hypothesis, it would have to had broken the laws of physics to actually occur. Also, the sequence of cosmological (big bang) evolution contradicts how God actually created: the earth first, then vegetation, then only the other planets including the moon and sun. Evolutionists have the stars (suns) first, then planets (earth), then only life on earth. We therefore should throw off every secular world view of our origins.
I'm intrigued how you were an atheist but never believed in macro-evolution, what were your thoughts as to where everything came from?”  ;D

I have often pondered how the scientific theories about the beginning could be right and still not conradict the Genesis
version of creation. I actually see no contradiction, even if the big bang theory is correct.
To begin with, God created the laws of physics, is there any reason that he could not defy them if He chose?
Jesus rising after death defies our physical laws. God exists outside of time, that is why He knows the future in spite of
our freedom of choice. That defies physics.

But as to the order of creation. Genesis 1:1 says that God created the heavens and the earth.
The heavens are everything else out there. The entire universe with all of the galaxies, all of the other other solar systems plus the earth.
Our sun is just a dying star, so He placed the moon and the dying star so as to create light in the darkness.

It all still fits for me Andrevan, even if the scientists somehow prove that the universe started
with a big bang.  If not, then whatever they do find to be true, if in fact God ever wants for us to know, will have to fit as well.
If it is in fact correct.
Praise God! ;D

Tim

Nancy:
Hi there Michelle and all,

I have been having doubts about my faith aswell.  I want a faith that belongs to me and not on my predecessors or society. Built on a solid rock not on sand.

My thoughts go as follows:

For those who say that the bible is right because of prophecy, well what prophecy is that?  We don't know when the Old Testament was finally penned down, so some narration could have been written AFTER the event happened.  And talking of Jesus' birth, etc, it doesn't take a diploma in rocket science to suppose that the writers of the gospels, narrated them to fit certain prophecies in the Old Testament to suit their agenda that Christ had a virgin birth, etc.  We just don't know.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like these thoughts that i have but i have them because i am human.  I don't feel guilty though, Michelle because i know that God can take them and God knows i have them before i do.  I just feel that sometimes i will give up my faith in Christ and turn to Buddhism or some other faith. 

There are some things that put me off christendom, because if i told a
christian that i
mediated, they would immediately think of a new age religion or Buddhism and say that they'll pray for me.

Jesus to me seems a distant figure sometimes.  To glibly say that He died for my sins, sometimes doesn't make sense or when christians say, Believe in Jesus, what does that mean exactly?

Maybe i want a grown-up faith not a childish version that christendom preaches!
This probably will make you feel worse Michelle but this is how i feel too so you are not alone.  God probably loves your honesty, He knows you better than you know yourself.

God bless
Nancy

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