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Are there any other Proofs about Christ and other Bible matters other than Bible
Prosizz:
Nancy, What I am a bit confused about is you said you feel sometime like turning other faiths like buddhism. Ok what hope does buddhism gives you or other faiths that is better that the hope of Christian faith? Is buddha real?
Redbird:
Hi Nancy and Michelle,
I see you both are having doubts about Jesus and looking to other books for proof and as Nancy related, possibly other faiths. My question is, have you all read what Jesus has to say to you. Mainly the four gospels in the bible, for now. To have faith in someone, you must have a relationship with them first. Hear what HE has to say......does JESUS speak to your heart? I'm not talking about other Christians or even myself. Are you judging your faith by what you have learned from others rather than the author himself? I say this in love, because it saddens me when I see persons lead astray by outside influences.
Blessings in your quest,
Lisa
andrevan:
--- Quote from: TimothyVI on March 29, 2007, 02:28:56 PM ---Hi Andrevan,
You said “God is the first cause, however, science refutes the Big Bang hypothesis, it would have to had broken the laws of physics to actually occur. Also, the sequence of cosmological (big bang) evolution contradicts how God actually created: the earth first, then vegetation, then only the other planets including the moon and sun. Evolutionists have the stars (suns) first, then planets (earth), then only life on earth. We therefore should throw off every secular world view of our origins.
I'm intrigued how you were an atheist but never believed in macro-evolution, what were your thoughts as to where everything came from?” ;D
I have often pondered how the scientific theories about the beginning could be right and still not conradict the Genesis
version of creation. I actually see no contradiction, even if the big bang theory is correct.
To begin with, God created the laws of physics, is there any reason that he could not defy them if He chose?
Jesus rising after death defies our physical laws. God exists outside of time, that is why He knows the future in spite of
our freedom of choice. That defies physics.
But as to the order of creation. Genesis 1:1 says that God created the heavens and the earth.
The heavens are everything else out there. The entire universe with all of the galaxies, all of the other other solar systems plus the earth.
Our sun is just a dying star, so He placed the moon and the dying star so as to create light in the darkness.
It all still fits for me Andrevan, even if the scientists somehow prove that the universe started
with a big bang. If not, then whatever they do find to be true, if in fact God ever wants for us to know, will have to fit as well.
If it is in fact correct.
Praise God! ;D
Tim
--- End quote ---
Hi Tim
I understand the points you raised, they are good ones. However, the Big Bang has its origin in secular philosophy masquerading as science. God has already told us how He created everything. Gen 1:1 is not a contradiction of Gen 1:2. Gen 1:1 is not in sequential order, it is an introduction which is explained in detail in the sequential order of Gen 1:2-31. God created light before He created our sun or moon, notice Gen 1:16, the stars (from earth's perspective): the rest of the cosmos after earth. As Ray mentioned somewhere, everything in God's Word is important and in there for a reason.
The reason I mentioned the contradictions between the secular "creator's" and our Creator's versions was to show that we need to put God's Word first and believe it, and put man's (unscientific) opinions second. What can erode some Christian's faith is when Theologians place man's opinions on origins above God's account, such as false doctrines like Theistic Evolution do.
It is my opinion that God purposely created everything in the order (Gen 1:2-31) that He did, so that it would be contrary to man's "scientific" order and reasoning. The reason: His glory. :) Those people that think themselves wise (scientists/philosophers) are confounded and made to look foolish by God before men.
I don't think Jesus defies our (or His) physical laws. Our physical laws were written from only what we've observed and tested, however, there may be many more laws that we have yet to discover, if and when God furthers men's understanding. So when Jesus raised the dead and when God raised Him, I don't believe any laws of physics were broken, God merely exercised laws that we have no idea of at this time.
Anyway, I've rambled on enough and I admit my understanding is severely limited, and you raised some valid points, thanks.
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Nancy, you wrote: "For those who say that the bible is right because of prophecy, well what prophecy is that? We don't know when the Old Testament was finally penned down, so some narration could have been written AFTER the event happened. And talking of Jesus' birth, etc, it doesn't take a diploma in rocket science to suppose that the writers of the gospels, narrated them to fit certain prophecies in the Old Testament to suit their agenda that Christ had a virgin birth, etc. We just don't know."
Actually, we do know, thousands of people have tried for many years to disprove those prophecies and prove the Scriptures to be a hoax... they've ALL failed! Many sound scholarly works have shown the fulfilled prophecies to be valid. I can recommend a book that helped me get a sound knowledge of the uniqueness of the Scriptures, I'll PM it to you and Michelle.
God's peace to you all. :)
Andrevan.
Nancy:
Hi there all and Prosizz,
The reason i mention Buddism, is because i don't particularly like the rules of other religions and it seems to be a free sort of faith, you meditate on your own and that's it.
Sometimes the pressure of christianity gets to me. When you tell people you are a christian, they immediately think that you should be perfect and that you are against everything. For instance, people have said to me whilst in an argument concerning homosexuality,
"Well you should be against it because you are a christian"! I choose not to judge others on this or other matters, so i am not believed to be a good christian for that.
Or people think that you don't like a naughty joke now and again or that you are a fuddy duddy, etc.
I have spent my whole life being something i'm not because of my 'faith' and i am getting tired of it. There are all the ought to's, you can't swear, or smoke or drink or dance or this or that, i'm tired of it all. That's why i sometimes feel like running away from my faith. Maybe i'm just ranting or telling God off or something.
Thanks for your replies
God bless
Nancy
Deborah-Leigh:
Michele
I notice that you received a lot of valuable support and out reaching empathy for your question and your post.
I was just wondering how much of Bible Truths you have read? If you have read it all, do you agree with it all? I have read it all and know I have to read it again and again and again and even then I will not have totally assimilated all its mysteries and deep truths of enlightenment.
I find that Jesus is veiled in mystery of which much is revealed here! He is concealed to the eyes of the worldly and He did not show up at King Herod's palace after He rose again and say "I told you so!"...
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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