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Two resurrections; when do they take place?
Evan600:
--- Quote from: gmik on May 28, 2007, 09:03:19 PM ---The death of death is Life....I love that!
I don't know if this has already been mentioned but at the conference a sweet sister from K'zoo told me that the splitting of the tares/wheat, wolves/sheep, whatever good/evil thing its saying., is this....in US. Separating the tares and wheat in us!!
Whew!! I probably had read it on BT but it didn't hit me till then.
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It was mentioned on this thread...thanks anyway :) You may want to read the replies about it. I believe that they are on page 7, or maybe on 6 of this topic. There was an email posted that Joe sent to Ray, and Ray's response about it.
God bless,
Jason
gmik:
Thanks Jason. I will check it out!!!
Kat:
Hi rocky,
--- Quote ---So if those people who are made physically alive again (resurrected to judgment) are made alive (spirit) in the twinkling of an eye, by the power of God, then they would be resurrected again. I don't see where there is two resurrections for the non elect (in scripture). Unless, we can assume that "second death", means death of death, which is really LIFE, which is the same as resurrection?? hmm, what ya think?
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I was looking at your reply, it seems to me that it is the resurrection part where we may be differing.
I am thinking that a 'resurrection' is only when the physically dead are raised back to physical life.
Christ was referred to as 'the Resurrection' because He was raised.
Those who join Christ at His return that are alive, are changed not resurrected.
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
This is referred to as the first resurrection because so many will be raised, just a relative hand full will be changed. But those changed are considered a part of the first resurrection, because they will join those raise to meet Christ.
The vast majority of mankind will be resurrected, that's why it is called the resurrection of the dead.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
In John where it speaks of the resurrection, and it's those in the grave.
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves shall hear His voice,
v. 29 and shall come forth, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil to the resurrection of condemnation.
It will be a new thing that those alive at Christ's return will experience, being changed. They do not experience resurrection from the dead, but life immortal. But that does not mean it won't be the way it is from then on. Death will be cast into the Lake of fire, no one will physically die from then on.
Rev 20:14 And, death and hades, were cast into the lake of fire. This, is, the second death—the lake of fire. (Rotherham)
Hope you understand what I'm trying to say here :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
rocky:
Wow Kat, i'll have to think on that. I think i disagree, because it seems to put all the emphasis on physical death in regards to resurrection.
But I'm not sure to be honest.
Got me thinking about this verse:
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
This to me is the Resurrection.
and this
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Since we know that some will not physically die, but be changed in the twinkling of an eye, it seems to me that resurrection does not need to involve physical death. But if i hear you correctly, your saying this is not a resurrection, because they never physically died.
So if all die, it seems to me that it is not talking about physical death.
I feel like i'm talkng in circles now. Maybe others can jump in and help.
Sorry Kat if I am not understanding your post.
jER:
This tread is somewhat at length, however, there is a question (or two…) that I might ask - only for thought:
How does Revelation, chapter 21 (verses 11-17) fit in with the Resurrection, and Judgment? Also, with regards to the inhabitants who are (being) taught Righteousness?
(11) He that is unjust…he that is filthy…he that is righteous…and he that is holy…
(12) And, behold, I come quickly…my reward is with me to give every man according
as his work shall be.
(14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have the right to the
Tree of Life…and may enter in through the gates, into the city (New Jerusalem?).
(15) For without (the city) are dogs…sorcerers…whoremongers…murderers…idolaters
And whoever loves to make a lie.
(17) And the Spirit and the Bride (of Christ), say "come"…And, let him (them) that
hear, say "come"…And, let him (them) that thirst, "come"…And, whosoever
will…let him take the water of life freely.
The Grace of our Lord, Jesus Christ - be with you (US)!
- Jer
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