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Two resurrections; when do they take place?
hebrewroots98:
Yes, Dwight, you are right; the scriptures do tell us that we are being changed daily into HIS image,. So i am in agreement with you that this changing in us is a STRONG DELUSION to the masses who believe that they must weight for it to occur. I thank God that it is happening NOW for some of us and that HE has given us the eyes to see these truths. :)
skydreamers:
Hi Dwight,
Amen to your post! I'm still learning to remember to apply the "is,was, and will be" principal to all my studies. I do agree that the "is" application is integral to see in the scripture, especially if we are to see the spiritual meanings.
I also see how the scriptures are all one...which is why I think the scriptures are speaking of one death. And I love what Rocky says here about the one resurrection:
--- Quote ---There is only ONE resurrection, and that is Jesus Christ. He came in the flesh, a jew, under law; died to the flesh and rose again (resurrected) and declared Son of God with power, according to the spirit.
Rom 1:4 Who is designated Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection of the dead),
He was the firstfruit, guaranteeing an order for all to be resurrected.
The one resurrection happens in stages, Christ, the first fruit, then those at his coming (his body, the first fruits), then the end/consumation (the non elect). All are the ONE resurrection, through the cross, death to life.
To me, the resurrection is a process, not a single event, and we currently are being ressurected, dying to flesh, death being swallowed up in life; with full consumation at his coming.
--- End quote ---
I realize that those in Christ (the elect) are being changed in their life in the flesh...(God willing that includes me!!)....but figuring out that process, especially as it is laid out in Revelation, and then trying to discern where I'm at personally within that process, is quite the challenge!!
In his talk on How Hard is Getting Saved, Ray discusses how Jesus never converted anyone during His earthly ministry. How the first conversions were at Pentecost:
When came around Pentecost time though, a whole bunch of them were converted. About 120 of them. But Christ was leading them up to that. And He’s probably leading some of us up to that…
All these things take a lifetime. We’re going to live “the seals”. A third part of the men died: that’s a third part of the man in us that is going to die. A third part of the carnality. God works in increments, you see. He wipes out some of the trees, and then He burns the grass…what is the trees and the grass? These are all things in us. We have islands, and mountains, and trees, and grass. All of these are belief systems and ideas and doctrines and philosophies of life and all these things. And they are all going to be burned out and broken down and destroyed. All of those seven seals, seven trumpets, seven plagues: they are all things that must happen in our lives.
I can see how some of these things have happened in my life, and God is revealing more to me all the time. But I have yet an overwhelming way to go.
Dwight, you say:
--- Quote ---Diana, I think all these scriptures (although they will happen in the future for sure) are happening within us today. I think that we are being changed today...the strong delusion suggests that we won't be changed until the last trump.
--- End quote ---
So the changing is happening now, but the completion of that change, when we are finally immortal and incorruptible, won't happen until the last trump...am I understanding this right? I guess I'm just not yet clued in as to how the last trump happens in the life of the elect, or even what it is. Because if it is at that time that the mortal is changed to immortal etc. how can this be since while living in the flesh we yet carry sin....while living in the flesh we are still corruptible, right?
I pray God gives me eyes to see!
Thanks Dwight for inspiring me to look deeper,
Peace,
Diana
CEO:
Two resurections:
Two resurrections is fundamental to Rays teachings. I hope, you hope, we hope to attain to the first resurrection, also known as the high calling, the prize, the crown , our reward. If we attain the first resurrection it is because we have gone through the judging that begins in the house of God. Having been judged in this life is how we attain the first resurrection to life.
All others are in the second resurrection, the resurrection to judgment.
All others includes everyone in the OT and anyone who has not received the holy spirit and love the truth. The first resurrection elect do the judging of the second. Review Ray's Secret rapture paper and also Understanding Gods Truths, particularly #9.
Kat, I don't see where those in the second resurrection are resurrected with physical bodies as death is destoyed in the lake of fire.
Ask seeknock
Charles O
Kat:
Hi CEO,
I agree with your post.
And I don't have much to argue with you or any scripture about people having physical bodies after second resurrection. It just seems to me if they are going to be put on earth and learn to live righteous lives, it would be with a physical body. I wouldn't think they deserve a spiritual body yet either. There are those cases of people being raised to physical life in scripture, so we do have that example. I know those did eventually die, but the ones after the second resurrection could just be changed to spirit, when they were ready for it.
This is just speculation on my part.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Evan600:
--- Quote from: Dwight on April 29, 2007, 11:51:21 PM ---
Diana, I think all these scriptures (although they will happen in the future for sure) are happening within us today. I think that we are being changed today...the strong delusion suggests that we won't be changed until the last trump.
2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Our problem is not the future or the past, it's now. This verse is not for the future, it's for now....
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he IS.
In Him,
Dwight
--- End quote ---
Amen to that!!!!
That verse in 2 Cor. is such a powerful one!!!!!
"The revelation of Jesus Christ" in God's very Elect!!!
God bless,
Jason
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