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The Fire Jesus Spake In Mathew ?
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Dwight on April 30, 2007, 07:04:16 PM ---Hi Susan,
God has commissioned us to speak the words of His mouth to the whole world...and to Babylon...
Jeremiah 5:14
Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them
Rev. 9:17
And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Psalm 97:3
A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about.
We are the two witnesses in Revelation....
Rev. 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
This is the power that God has given to His elect through His word.
In Him,
Dwight
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Hello Dwight,
I believe what is written above is speaking of a future season, the judgement, the age after this one. Look at the powers displayed by the Lord's elect, can anyone presently bring plagues or even convict a false prophet, or a lying shepherd?
His chosen will be commissioned to work with the Lord but the fall harvest has yet to begin. I think we can sometimes apply "is, was, will be" without considering that it pertains primarily to His Character and His plan of salvation for all.
Lev 26:4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
Jer 8:7 Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.
Hab 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
His plan of salvation has "seasons" and "appointed times." The elect are presently being judged and prepared for their inheritence at the resurrection.
From Lake of Fire Part 12;
THE SAINTS SHALL JUDGE THE WORLD
The called and chosen were born to be Judges:
"Or are you not aware that the saints [the manifested Sons and Daughters of God] shall JUDGE THE WORLD? And if the world shall be judged by YOU, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (I Cor. 6:2).
"And I saw thrones and they sat upon them, and JUDGMENT was given unto them [the saints, the manifested Sons of God]…" (Rev. 20:4).
Every man will be judged and the Saints will do the judging:
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it: and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were JUDGED EVERY MAN according to their works" (Rev. 20:13).
JUDGES, LORDS, PRIESTS AND KINGS
The called and chosen were born to be Judges, Lords, Priests and Kings:
"If we suffer, we shall also REIGN with Him…" (II Tim. 2:12).
"And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall REIGN on the earth" (Rev. 5:10).
We are the church of the Living God, and what is the church in relation to Christ?
"And has put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the church, Which IS HIS BODY, the fullness of Him that fills all in all" (Eph. 1:22-23).
"For we are members of HIS BODY, OF his flesh, AND OF his bones… This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and THE CHURCH [the heavenly, not the carnal church]" (Eph. 5:30 & 32).
Whatever Christ does, WE DO ALSO, because we ARE HIS BODY! Yes, WE, the manifest Sons and Daughters of God, will JUDGE THE WORLD!
But are the saints ready, equipped, and experienced to actually judge the world by the mere fact that they accept Jesus as the Priest, Lord, King, and Judge of the world? We are part of this world until God takes us out of it. We too have need of a Priest, a Lord, a King, and a Judge.
All too many Christians accept Jesus as their Priest, Lord, King, and Judge in ceremony only. In fact, I doubt that many accept Jesus as their "JUDGE" even in a ceremonial way, let alone by actual experience OF that judgment in their daily lives.
We must first be judged ourselves if we are to became the judges of the great sea of humanity.
(Ray Smith) http://bible-truths.com/lake12.html
As far as going into Babylon to preach or "save" this is not our place, only God does the calling and choosing, we must set an example and be prepared to speak to those who are drawn.
GOD PREDETERMINES WHO GETS SAVED AND WHEN
"Now we are aware that God [Who? GOD. Men—ourselves? NO—GOD] is working all together for the good of those who are loving God who are called according to the purpose that, whom He foreknew, He designates beforehand, also, to be conformed to the image of His Son for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren. Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also" (Rom. 8:28-30, Concordant Literal New Testament).
It is ALL OF GOD. It is not wrong to tell others of your knowledge of God and His Word. It is not, however, your responsibility to "get people saved." Only God can do that.
It is GOD who does the calling:
"For ye see your calling brethren how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen [Who? ‘GOD’] the weak things of this world to confound the things which are mighty…" (I Cor. 1:26-27).
It is GOD who does the dragging:
"No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent Me, draw him [Gk: ‘drag him’]…" (John 6:44).
It is CHRIST Who chooses from those His Father dragged:
"Ye have not chosen Me, but I HAVE CHOSEN YOU…" (John 15:16).
Eventually this will include all mankind:
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me" (John 12:32).
And all will respond to God’s judgments and chastisements:
"That at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of those in heaven, and those in earth, and those under the earth; And that EVERY tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father" (Phil. 2:10-11—See also Isa. 26:9b).
And let’s not forget:
"…no man CAN say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit" (I Cor. 12:3b).
Which is totally contrary to the horrible teachings of such men as John Hagee and Herbert W. Armstrong on this subject. Herbert Armstrong said: "Yes, every knee will bow, and if they don’t GOD WILL BREAK THEIR KNEES." Oh the unscriptural foolishness of carnal—minded men.
But do orthodox Christians believe that these Scriptures mean what they say? Of course not, and that is why they quote Phil. 2:12 "…work out your own salvation with fear and trembling," thinking that this takes Sovereignty away from God and places it back with man and his fabled "free will." Not so. They forget to read the next verse which tells us why we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling:
"For [‘for’ means ‘because’] it is GOD [Who? Man? NO! ‘GOD’] which works in you both TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
LIGHT AND SALT DON’T ARGUE OR MAKE NOISE
"Ye are the salt of the earth… Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid… Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 5:1,14,16).
Salt does not make any noise, and light does not argue Scriptures. Neither salt nor light makes any sound whatsoever. Maybe there is a lesson in there.
Too many people learn a few truths of God and think that they are ready to take on the world. They usually start by trying to embarrass their Pastor with their new-gained knowledge. Usually they fall flat on their face on the very first try. It’s all about motivation. If your motivation is carnal, God will not back you. Yes, I know, all of you are saying: "But my motivation is to show them God’s truths." Yes, sure, I understand, but THEY DON’T WANT TO HEAR GOD’S TRUTHS, and you already know this, so what is your point? Leave them alone and let them taste your salt and see your light and admire your good works, and perchance they will even praise God for your new-found humility,
You will never argue anyone into accepting the truths of God’s Word. As salesmen are often taught: "You might win the argument, but loose the sale," so don’t argue. And this: "He who is persuaded against his will; is of the same opinion still."
I receive a lot of emails from people who beg me to come to their rescue because they are about to have a second session with their pastor or friend, but have failed miserably on the first go-round. Now they want me to give them the ammunition they need to do a slam-dunk on their second attempt to embarrass their pastor or friend. Give it up—that attitude is wrong. Such a carnal exhibition of prideful flesh is akin to someone looking for a street fight merely because he has just acquired a black belt in karate.
HOW TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH
I personally know a man who has his little wife working two jobs to support their family so that he can study the Scriptures and enter into doctrinal debates with other Christians at the local Caf頡s a perpetual hobby. Notice the admonition of the Apostle Peter:
"Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; having your conversation [Gk: ‘conduct’] honest [Gk: ‘honorable’] among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may BY YOUR GOOD WORKS, [Not your clever Bible arguments], which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation" (I Pet. 2:11-12).
Your good works and righteous character will pay dividends to others eventually—if not in this life, then in the Judgment.
From "Winning Souls For Jesus" http://bible-truths.com/souls.htm
His Peace to you,
Joe
hebrewroots98:
Exactly my point Joe. Thank you so much for this clarification. I was wondering how we could attain the full POWER to be JUDGING the world NOW. ??? I know that none of us have grown into completely mature spiritual people while still in this body and in this life in order to fairly and completely be the judge of the multitudes currently in this life. I wasn't seeing how WE could be judging and devouring and helping to purge the masses right now, those whom weren't living Godly lives. Apparently this power does not pertain to this life, but to the life to come, where we will be assisting the Lord to purge the sins out of the carnal minded ...with power and truth.
Dwight, I do see that we do have the power and should use it to kill the enemies of OURSELF...the old man/the fleshly and carnal person that tries to rules us; but, I never have thought that this meant that we had the power to judge others just yet on this earth. I thank you for your input here, but, apparently I was not asking my prior question coherently enough to be understood, I'm sorry about that; however, I have understood that our new lives dwell in the spiritual and not physical realm and that WE are the Kingdom of Heaven and that We are the Temple where HE DWELLS in us, and that HE uses us and empowers us to speak on His behalf (prophesy/teach/witness) and that HE is the one whom drags people to himself in order to be in the position of the 'elect' status, and that HE is not commissioning US to do that with others in this earth just YET.)
Kat:
Hi Joe,
I too think that the judgments the elect will do is in a future season, the age after this one.
Here is a excerpt from Ray's no.12 paper 'GOD JUDGES THE WORLD IN A POND.'
http://bible-truths.com/lake12.html -------------------------------
JUDGES, LORDS, PRIESTS AND KINGS
The called and chosen were born to be Judges, Lords, Priests and Kings:
"If we suffer, we shall also REIGN with Him…" (II Tim. 2:12).
"And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall REIGN on the earth" (Rev. 5:10).
We are the church of the Living God, and what is the church in relation to Christ?
"And has put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the church, Which IS HIS BODY, the fullness of Him that fills all in all" (Eph. 1:22-23).
"For we are members of HIS BODY, OF his flesh, AND OF his bones… This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and THE CHURCH [the heavenly, not the carnal church]" (Eph. 5:30 & 32).
Whatever Christ does, WE DO ALSO, because we ARE HIS BODY! Yes, WE, the manifest Sons and Daughters of God, will JUDGE THE WORLD!
But are the saints ready, equipped, and experienced to actually judge the world by the mere fact that they accept Jesus as the Priest, Lord, King, and Judge of the world? We are part of this world until God takes us out of it. We too have need of a Priest, a Lord, a King, and a Judge.
All too many Christians accept Jesus as their Priest, Lord, King, and Judge in ceremony only. In fact, I doubt that many accept Jesus as their "JUDGE" even in a ceremonial way, let alone by actual experience OF that judgment in their daily lives.
We must first be judged ourselves if we are to became the judges of the great sea of humanity.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
DWIGHT:
Hi Susan, Joe, and Kat,
Perhaps I should make myself a little clearer. The people in the pagan world, and the people in Babylon are not who I was referring to. It is the beast in us, and the Babylonian doctrines in us that must be destroyed by the fire of God's burning. We are to love our enemies (real, physical people). I'm not talking about some future judgement in the millennium....that will happen for sure. The only person that I'm going to judge right now is me. And that can only be done by God's word in me. Hope that is a little clearer.
In Him,
Dwight
hebrewroots98:
Thanks for that clarification Dwight; I had thought that you were speaking of us having power in this life to rule, judge, and such with the 'world' right now. Now I understand what you meant. 8) 8) 8). Thanks!
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