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The Fire Jesus Spake In Mathew ?
mrsnacks:
So does the elect include all believers, or are the elect only a few chosen from the group of believers ?
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
The elect, saints, brethren/brothers, chosen and believers are those I believe the scripture are referring to as those few that are being judged now. These are those who will be in the first resurrection when Christ returns and will rule and reign with Him on earth for the age.
Here are a few email where Ray speaks about this.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,102.0.html -----------
Ray
When the new testament talks about the saints or the church is that referring to the called or the chosen?
Regards
Daryn
Dear Daryn:
The answer is BOTH. God calls "His people"--His chosen, elect, saints, out of Babylon, which is the church of God turned apostate. But when we come out of Babylon, we are still saints and we are still member of the The Church of Jesus Christ, The Church of the Living God. As such we assemble ourselves together with believers in light, not the apostate church of darkness. We are to have no fellowship with them (II John 10, II Cor. 6:14-18, Rev. 8:4, I Cor. 5:9-13, Eph. 5:6-11, etc.).
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2633.0.html -------
Here are those who are Christ's "BROTHERS": "For whosoever shall DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in heaven, the same IS MY BROTHER...." (Matt. 12:50). Contrarywise, "whosoever shall NOT do the will of My father is NOT my brother..." This is because "Ye [same scribes and Pharisees] are of YOUR FATHER [not Christ's FAther, but YOUR father] THE DEVIL" (John 8:44).
God be with you,
Ray
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Dear Kelly:
Those whom God has foreordained to be the elect will always be the elect. The chosen elect cannot be lost. But you and I do not know exactly who is and who isn't an elect. Only God's knows those who are His, and therefore, we can never let down our guard, because we might only think that we are elect. I have seen and witnessed this with my own eyes where those who appeared to be elect, turned and now blaspheme the name of the Saviour they claimed to worship a short while back.
Sorry, don't know of any books that you can read on this subject.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
mrsnacks:
So Kat - do you believe you are part of the elect ? How about Ray ? If I am to understand correctly - can we ever know ? IT would seem then we may be deceived in thinking we are saved and are His and that is as bad to me as anything I can imagine. I hope I am understanding this. Thanks
DWIGHT:
mrsnaks,
This is in Kat's post to you. Maybe you overlooked it.
"Those whom God has foreordained to be the elect will always be the elect. The chosen elect cannot be lost. But you and I do not know exactly who is and who isn't an elect. Only God's knows those who are His, and therefore, we can never let down our guard, because we might only think that we are elect. I have seen and witnessed this with my own eyes where those who appeared to be elect, turned and now blaspheme the name of the Saviour they claimed to worship a short while back."
mrsnacks:
I did get it. He says only God knows so if that is true we don't know. We may think we know but we can't be sure right ?
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