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mrsnacks:
The title says it all.

I want to be honest with you all and I don't mean to be negative. I have been on this site here for about 4 -5 months, not long. But I have observed most here with few exceptions follow whatever Ray says on virtually all subjects concerning the Scriptures. Kat especially. She has been very helpful to me by the way. I am in no way coming down on anyone for this. But I can't help but think isn't it dangerous ? I say this because I have been involved in cults growing up where a leader was held as almost a god to be worshiped.

But in my life experiences I have learned that we are all human and have our strengths and lack in areas as well. For example a brother or sister in the Lord may be well versed in church history, apologetics, or what have you but not so knowledgeable in other areas.

I have a friend who is a prayer warrior. She prays and intercedes and spends a great deal of time doing that. While she may not be so knowledgeable in church history or Hebrew or Greek etc. She knows about prayer so if I have questions on prayer and interceding I would ask her. If I had questions concerning Biblical answers I would go and ask someone else seeking God perspective ultimately of course.
Does this make sense ?

We are to test everything as the Bereans did with Paul. What areas do you agree and agree to disagree with Ray is my question.

I will start. I have learned much from Ray and will continue to. I am in agreement with him concerning his comments on free will, the hell doctrine,
The lake of fire, judgment of God, and a few others. I do have a slight problem with him on areas of eschatology. Also I am going through ( not sure his total position ) what one person said to me awhile ago about the Garden of Eden story being an allegory. It is not to be taken literally he puts it. But that the 2 trees are planted in our beings. It is about us.

Plus salvation. If I am to understand Ray on that is that we are being saved. Those that endure to the end will be saved. So to me that takes the security blanket away from me. I may be deceived. I can't know for sure. It leaves me with the feeling of not knowing so how could one go to sleep at night at peace. Anyway there is my 2 cents.

Bill:


--- Quote from: mrsnacks on May 09, 2007, 02:48:15 PM ---The title says it all.

I want to be honest with you all and I don't mean to be negative. I have been on this site here for about 4 -5 months, not long. But I have observed most here with few exceptions follow whatever Ray says on virtually all subjects concerning the Scriptures. Kat especially. She has been very helpful to me by the way. I am in no way coming down on anyone for this. But I can't help but think isn't it dangerous ? I say this because I have been involved in cults growing up where a leader was held as almost a god to be worshiped.

But in my life experiences I have learned that we are all human and have our strengths and lack in areas as well. For example a brother or sister in the Lord may be well versed in church history, apologetics, or what have you but not so knowledgeable in other areas.

I have a friend who is a prayer warrior. She prays and intercedes and spends a great deal of time doing that. While she may not be so knowledgeable in church history or Hebrew or Greek etc. She knows about prayer so if I have questions on prayer and interceding I would ask her. If I had questions concerning Biblical answers I would go and ask someone else seeking God perspective ultimately of course.
Does this make sense ?
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Mrsnacks,

I will keep this short as I do not believe this thread will be around long.  There is very little tolerance for disagreement on Ray on this forum.  This is not what this forum is for.  In the past it has been said that there is no one that Ray agrees with 100% and those area of disagreement do not get aired out in the public.  Do you not think there is a proper way to handle disagreements?


--- Quote from: mrsnacks on May 09, 2007, 02:48:15 PM ---We are to test everything as the Bereans did with Paul. What areas do you agree and agree to disagree with Ray is my question.
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How are we to test everything? That is the question.




--- Quote from: mrsnacks on May 09, 2007, 02:48:15 PM ---Plus salvation. If I am to understand Ray on that is that we are being saved. Those that endure to the end will be saved. So to me that takes the security blanket away from me. I may be deceived. I can't know for sure. It leaves me with the feeling of not knowing so how could one go to sleep at night at peace. Anyway there is my 2 cents.

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I see salvation as this is,was and will be and I do believe so does Ray.  We can rest assured because we know that we are as good as being saved.


God Bless

Bill

hillsbororiver:
Hi mrsnacks,

I speak only for myself here, I have not been able to scripturally refute the points made in Ray's articles, nor have I seen it done convincingly by anyone else.

Plenty of times I have seen people's emotions and feelings claim Ray is mistaken but not with 2 scriptural witnesses. Also, I have heard people who complain about some of Ray's e-mail responses saying he is unloving or rude, I have not seen that when the writer asks a sincere question in a God fearing humble manner, quite the contrary, a sincere question gets a sincere answer, but when the intent is challenging, abusive, accusational or threatening Ray pulls no punches in his responses, I believe he uses very good discernment in his answers.

My own experience has been that I prayed fervently as a youth for answers from God, I had many terrible experiences as a child and an adolescent, step by step I went through a few churches did not fit in and searched on my own at times sporadically and other times manically, this went on for 34 years, I read scores of Christian and/or prophetic books only becoming more confused. August 2, 2005 I stumbled onto Bible Truths, I was 51 years old and when I began to read the articles I saw that my prayer from 34 years ago had been answered, His Word is alive, my eyes are opening, the Spirit used Ray Smith to reach me and teach me.

I am not a follower of Ray but I am a follower of the Spirit of Christ who I truly believe inspires Ray.

Again, I speak for myself here.

His Peace to you,

Joe 

rick:
I dont really believe that Ray teaches what "he believes" but he teaches what the scriptures say. and i have to believe that 100% because i can find nothing to refute it.God inspired the scriptures and has inspired Ray to deliver those scriptures to those whom He and only He has opened the eyes,ears and heart to receive it. I too begged God for the truth for many many years and now I am not so sure that is really what I wanted because knowing the truth changes our whole life. if I had died in a deceived state, i would be no worse off, because regardless of what I believe, that does not change what God has in store for man at all. God will work all things after the counsel of His own will. period. Just my thoughts, hope i have not offended any one. .............rick

aktikt:
Rick,

It's hard for me to accept that you have said this,
--- Quote ---"I dont really believe that Ray teaches what "he believes" but he teaches what the scriptures say. and i have to believe that 100% because i can find nothing to refute it.God inspired the scriptures and has inspired Ray to deliver those scriptures to those whom He and only He has opened the eyes,ears and heart to receive it. I too begged God for the truth for many many years and now I am not so sure that is really what I wanted because knowing the truth changes our whole life. if I had died in a deceived state, i would be no worse off, because regardless of what I believe, that does not change what God has in store for man at all. God will work all things after the counsel of His own will. period. Just my thoughts, hope i have not offended any one. .............rick"
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If you had died in that state you would not be part of the Lake of Fire if indeed God chooses you, but rather you would be made subject to it!  There is a huge difference there as I understand it.  It is far better to be among the elect come judgment day.  To have Jesus say to you, "Well done good and faithful servant."  Wow.

Josh

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