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What areas do you agree, or agree to disagree with Ray's teachings ?
Deborah-Leigh:
Mrsnacks
you write:
I have a friend who is a prayer warrior. She prays and intercedes and spends a great deal of time doing that. While she may not be so knowledgeable in church history or Hebrew or Greek etc. She knows about prayer so if I have questions on prayer and interceding I would ask her. If I had questions concerning Biblical answers I would go and ask someone else seeking God perspective ultimately of course.
Does this make sense ?
Have you read Ray's paper on How to Pray? It teaches that you can not bend Gods will or change His mind. Also there are many e-mail responses from Ray regarding how and why we need to pray! As for being a Prayer Warrior, I personally believe this is a phrase coined in Mystery Babylon. How can one war against God's plan and succeed? No one and nothing can change God's purposes. Jesus said Luke 10:20 ...do not rejoice at this that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are enrolled in heaven.
You say : If I am to understand Ray on that is that we are being saved. Those that endure to the end will be saved. So to me that takes the security blanket away from me.
Isn't this "security blanket" as you say rather an ARTIFICIAL SENSE OF SECURITY? I think so. In which case be glad to be rid of it! ;D
I may be deceived. I can't know for sure. It leaves me with the feeling of not knowing so how could one go to sleep at night at peace. You say
Psalms 31 : 13 For I have heard the slader of many; terror IS on every side!
So this expereince is not unusual or strange. Yet here is what David found out...
vs 13 While they schemed together agianst me, they plotted to take my life. 14 But I trusted in, relied on, and was confident in You O Lord; I said You are my God. 15 MY TIMES ARE IN YOUR HANDS
and that is the BOTTOM LINE....Our times ARE in HIS Hands. That is a good thing and a happy thought ;D So rather take that as your security blanket! :D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
YellowStone:
Mr Snacks,
I think Joe said it wonderfully (at least for me)
I am not a follower of Ray but I am a follower of the Spirit of Christ who I truly believe inspires Ray.
I can honestly say that I have learned more through the wonderful discourse of this forum and through the Spirit of Truth that is very evident here, than I have reading Rays articles.
Why, because as you say, this forum speaks of what WE have learned through our readings of the Scriptures and life experiences. Much of what Ray has written resurfaces here, and believe me it gets much scrutiny. :) But Ray has said nothing that wasn't first said by God, Christ or one of his devoted followers.
This forum is not titled "Ray's Truths" for a reason. :) He speaks the truth as given him by God. Like Joe also, I cannot refute him Scriptually, although once or twice I tried. If Ray say's something I disagree with, I cannot and do not automatically assume that he is right. It is my duty as a follower of Christ to test everything, and study and struggle I do. Christ is my teacher, and thankfully He has never proved Ray wrong. :)
Ray cannot teach you anything Christ does not want you to learn. Comforting isn't it. :)
These are my thoughts, comments welcome.
Love in Christ,
Darren
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
I can understand your thinking I believe whatever Ray says. I guess I come across that way. But that's not exactly right, however I do believe what he teaches in the scripture. I studied his papers 7 months before I joined the forum, because I wanted to spend as much time as I needed to determine if what he taught was true. I have studied his teaching searching the scripture for any contradiction. I have come to believe that God has given Ray exceptional discernment of the scripture. After learning many spiritual concepts about how to study and understand the scripture, I am now beginning to study scripture on my own. But to took someone to teach me for over a year and only by His Holy Spirit, have I learned anything.
I am not new at this following a man thing, I was in Worldwide church of God for 15 years, and that is exactly what that church was about. God finally took me out of that church and put me a Baptist for 10 years. You would think I'd have learned from all that experiences with church and I did. I understand the churches role in God plan, but I learned nothing spiritual while there. I do not follow Ray and hang on every word he says, like you must think. He is a brother and I respect what God is doing through him. I do know Ray personally, I attend his monthly biblestudies and he is a good friend of mind. If there is something I don't understand or disagree with Ray on, I ask him about it privately, which anyone can do through email.
Like I said at the beginning I understand how you must think, because I do agree with Ray on most everything, and I guess it shows because I point a lot of the time to his articles that I learned from. You might have meant what you said about how I look to Ray in a negative way, but I'm going to take it as a compliment :)
Ray is nothing but an instrument in God's hand, just like I am, it's all Christ, Ray knows it and I know it.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Kent:
I take no ones word for anything, and that includes Ray. I have been led astray in the past and it could happen again if I dont check out everything that is said against the scriptures. It's not personal.
There is a tendence, in my opinion, to spiritualize every word Christ spoke.
If people had done that in AD 70, there would have been no survivors when Rome sacked Jerusalem.
In other word, when Christ said 'when you see x,y,and z happen, get out of town quick!'
Some prophecies are meant to be taken literally.
Other than that, I thank God for him and this website. It was the first one I came to when UR was revealed to me. I have learned a lot.
Deborah-Leigh:
Taking Gods Word for EVERYTHING is the way to go for me and God's Word is Spirit. For me that means...Gods Word is Spirit...not anything else.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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